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First of all-- I don't watch a ton of ESPN, but I do watch more NFLN and ESPN when the Vikings are doing very well.

A couple weeks ago I had ESPN on and I heard one of these. Later I googled around to see if I could find more, and now there are three discussions on this 'First Take' show. Pretty clear Stephen A Smith is a bit of a <fill in the blank -- it's probably on point>. But the rebuttals are strong. SAS made the crazy assertion this week that if only Bradford was *worse* and the Vikings were still winning, only then would he concede we may be superbowl contenders. He seems to think that SB's play is unsustainable and that once his play falls off, we can no longer be considered anything more than a playoff team. That may be a well-founded concern, but is wholly unsubstantiated at this point. Seems if he were truly informed, he'd be hammering the 5 guys in front of SB rather than SB himself.

Anyway-- lots of Viking (dare I say love) here as well as some SAS FUD:

ESPN First Take - Did the Vikings Win Or Panthers Lose?
ESPN First Take - How Far Can the Vikings Go With Sam Bradford?
ESPN First Take - Are Minnesota Vikings The Best Team In NFL?

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First of all-- I don't watch a ton of ESPN, but I do watch more NFLN and ESPN when the Vikings are doing very well.

A couple weeks ago I had ESPN on and I heard one of these. Later I googled around to see if I could find more, and now there are three discussions on this 'First Take' show. Pretty clear Stephen A Smith is a bit of a <fill in the blank -- it's probably on point>. But the rebuttals are strong. SAS made the crazy assertion this week that if only Bradford was *worse* and the Vikings were still winning, only then would he concede we may be superbowl contenders. He seems to think that SB's play is unsustainable and that once his play falls off, we can no longer be considered anything more than a playoff team. That may be a well-founded concern, but is wholly unsubstantiated at this point. Seems if he were truly informed, he'd be hammering the 5 guys in front of SB rather than SB himself.

Anyway-- lots of Viking (dare I say love) here as well as some SAS FUD:

ESPN First Take - Did the Vikings Win Or Panthers Lose?
ESPN First Take - How Far Can the Vikings Go With Sam Bradford?
ESPN First Take - Are Minnesota Vikings The Best Team In NFL?



I agree with what you are saying but in SAS defense, what I think he was getting at is this team (this year) hasnt had to respond to a punch in mouth via a turn over or gut wrenching plays. Barring, say the first half against Carolina which just seemed like general sub par play, we haven't really had to respond to a gut check.


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I didn't watch the videos but to some degree the performance, at least in terms of turnovers, is probably unsustainable. But that's why even good teams lose games. I think as a whole, if the Vikings can continue to take the ball away more than give it up, it bodes well for the team as a playoff contender. What I like from this team is they've showed they can come from behind (Titans), win close games (GB), and dominate (CAR, HOU, NY).

We'll likely see this team down against a better team than the Titans, that will be a good litmus test as to how strong this team really is.


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The next two games should probably provide some sort of litmus test, especially the next one vs. the Eagles. The Bears have been bit bad by the injury bug, but Soldier Field is never an easy place for the Vikings to win so I expect a good challenge.

We also play at Washington in a few weeks. That should also provide a tougher opponent for us.

We play DAL and AZ at home, but those are two games that should provide stiffer competition. Still, the way teams are playing, overall the rest of our schedule isn't as brutal as the last half was in 2015. I highly doubt we'll go undefeated, but it isn't totally drink the kool-aid to predict us rolling into Lambeau on Christmas Eve with a 14-0 record. None of the remaining games on the schedule look completely insurmountable.

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I agree with what you are saying but in SAS defense, what I think he was getting at is this team (this year) hasnt had to respond to a punch in mouth via a turn over or gut wrenching plays. Barring, say the first half against Carolina which just seemed like general sub par play, we haven't really had to respond to a gut check.


I came away with the same impression.

The discussion they're having isn't unlike some of the discussions we're having here on the board.


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I didn't watch the videos but to some degree the performance, at least in terms of turnovers, is probably unsustainable. But that's why even good teams lose games. I think as a whole, if the Vikings can continue to take the ball away more than give it up, it bodes well for the team as a playoff contender. What I like from this team is they've showed they can come from behind (Titans), win close games (GB), and dominate (CAR, HOU, NY).

We'll likely see this team down against a better team than the Titans, that will be a good litmus test as to how strong this team really is.


Remember now, the Vikings were down 10-2 at the half in the CAR game. That game should be counted as a come from behind victory as well. The Vikings themselves were being pushed around and couldn't get anything going in the first half. Imo, that was their most impressive win so far. On the road, getting shutout in the first half, and to make everyone (media and fans included) forget how dominate the Panthers were in the first half. That is impressive.

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all you need to do is look at how Flacco and Baltimore won a Super Bowl.....its all VERY possible (and I am the most cynical Vike fan you will meet)....parity has become a crushing reality in the NFL. With the exception of the Patriots, I don't think there is a team in the league that would be a sure bet to defeat the Vikes.....Its all very encouraging. BUT (there is always a but) the paper thin quality of our OL is a SCREAMING weak point.


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I dont like SAS. At all. Dont agree with him on 65% of thing that come out of his. And he is a pain profrofession that come of as if he know a lot mopre then he willing to tell us.

Would love to win the SB. Remember when the Gains did a few years ago? I think this team could beat them by 10.


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I love how finally they have someone to beat SaS at his own game. Kellerman destroys him lol, its so funny to watch


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I absolutely could not watch first take when it was SAS and Skip Bayless. Both of them annoy the crap out of me.

If Dilfer can win a SB, If Brad Johnson can win a super bowl, why can't we?


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all you need to do is look at how Flacco and Baltimore won a Super Bowl.....its all VERY possible (and I am the most cynical Vike fan you will meet)....parity has become a crushing reality in the NFL. With the exception of the Patriots, I don't think there is a team in the league that would be a sure bet to defeat the Vikes.....Its all very encouraging. BUT (there is always a but) the paper thin quality of our OL is a SCREAMING weak point.


Good post. You're right, parity has changed the NFL game. I also think given their W/L record after 5 games, no one is playing better than the Vikings right now. Very impressive. But the loss of depth on the OL (plus the fact they were average at best from the start) means there is an important part of the puzzle still missing. That concerns me.

I'm with all of you in wanting the Vikings to win a Super Bowl. I'm hoping the 5-0 record is indicative of how they'll be playing the rest of the season and into the playoffs. If it is, I believe this will be the biggest year for the Vikings in their franchise history.


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I absolutely could not watch first take when it was SAS and Skip Bayless. Both of them annoy the crap out of me.

If Dilfer can win a SB, If Brad Johnson can win a super bowl, why can't we?


It's certainly possible. :)

Poor Brad Johnson always gets lumped in with Dilfer. Brad was a pretty good quarterback!


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I absolutely could not watch first take when it was SAS and Skip Bayless. Both of them annoy the crap out of me.

If Dilfer can win a SB, If Brad Johnson can win a super bowl, why can't we?


It's certainly possible. :)

Poor Brad Johnson always gets lumped in with Dilfer. Brad was a pretty good quarterback!


He wasn't terrible, but his defense did carry him that year.


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He wasn't terrible, but his defense did carry him that year.


The Bucs defense was definitely the main strength of that team but I think Brad Johnson was more of a missing piece that helped them win the Super Bowl than a guy who just came along for the ride. It wasn't a situation like the one in Baltimore, where Dilfer was just sort of out there to avoid mistakes and manage games. Johnson was a genuinely good QB at that point in his career. He was a Pro Bowl-caliber QB (and not in the "5th alternative who was willing to go to Hawaii for the game" sense).

I just always feel bad for the guy when I see him placed in the "Hey, if a team could win with this guy" category, if you know what I mean.


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He started for the '98 team baby!

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He wasn't terrible, but his defense did carry him that year.


The Bucs defense was definitely the main strength of that team but I think Brad Johnson was more of a missing piece that helped them win the Super Bowl than a guy who just came along for the ride. It wasn't a situation like the one in Baltimore, where Dilfer was just sort of out there to avoid mistakes and manage games. Johnson was a genuinely good QB at that point in his career. He was a Pro Bowl-caliber QB (and not in the "5th alternative who was willing to go to Hawaii for the game" sense).

I just always feel bad for the guy when I see him placed in the "Hey, if a team could win with this guy" category, if you know what I mean.


I agree, Jim. Brad Johnson was a master field general among quarterbacks. The game was strategic exchange between himself and the opposing defenses, and Brad was usually up to the task. He had other qualities as well: accurate passing and timing, quick release, and remarkable composure.

BTW, remember the TD Johnson scored on his own pass. The pass was deflected and he caught the ball, then ran it in for a touchdown. I still crack up when I watch Robert Smith on the play. Smith is looking in the end zone to see if the pass was caught or not, and then suddenly he sees Brad Johnson run past him carrying the football. :D


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Mothman wrote:
Norv Zimmer wrote:
He wasn't terrible, but his defense did carry him that year.


The Bucs defense was definitely the main strength of that team but I think Brad Johnson was more of a missing piece that helped them win the Super Bowl than a guy who just came along for the ride. It wasn't a situation like the one in Baltimore, where Dilfer was just sort of out there to avoid mistakes and manage games. Johnson was a genuinely good QB at that point in his career. He was a Pro Bowl-caliber QB (and not in the "5th alternative who was willing to go to Hawaii for the game" sense).

I just always feel bad for the guy when I see him placed in the "Hey, if a team could win with this guy" category, if you know what I mean.


I agree, Jim. Brad Johnson was a master field general among quarterbacks. The game was strategic exchange between himself and the opposing defenses, and Brad was usually up to the task. He had other qualities as well: accurate passing and timing, quick release, and remarkable composure.

BTW, remember the TD Johnson scored on his own pass. The pass was deflected and he caught the ball, then ran it in for a touchdown. I still crack up when I watch Robert Smith on the play. Smith is looking in the end zone to see if the pass was caught or not, and then suddenly he sees Brad Johnson run past him carrying the football. :D


Yes, that was a great play, I dont think I will ever forget it.

I knind of asked this before but how do coaches, and trades, and money, and all that work out? Just like that players, he plays under contract, period? How long we have with Zim? Dont care about the ST coach or know alot about the DC (but ive read a few things and like what I read).


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I agree, Jim. Brad Johnson was a master field general among quarterbacks. The game was strategic exchange between himself and the opposing defenses, and Brad was usually up to the task. He had other qualities as well: accurate passing and timing, quick release, and remarkable composure.

BTW, remember the TD Johnson scored on his own pass. The pass was deflected and he caught the ball, then ran it in for a touchdown. I still crack up when I watch Robert Smith on the play. Smith is looking in the end zone to see if the pass was caught or not, and then suddenly he sees Brad Johnson run past him carrying the football. :D


:lol: That play was hilarious.

For those who've never seen it (or want to see it again):

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/vide ... f3ad4d58cf


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Yes, that was a great play, I dont think I will ever forget it.

I knind of asked this before but how do coaches, and trades, and money, and all that work out? Just like that players, he plays under contract, period? How long we have with Zim? Dont care about the ST coach or know alot about the DC (but ive read a few things and like what I read).


The length of Zimmer's contract hasn't been disclosed but he recently signed an extension so he should be the Vikings head coach for at least a few more years. He could be fired or traded but neither of those scenarios seems likely in the near future. While under contract, he can't choose to leave to take another NFL head coaching job without permission from the Vikings so it's unlikely he would be lured away by a huge financial offer from another team. He seems happy in Minnesota anyway.

Vikings assistant coaches would be able to leave for jobs involving a promotion but they can't go to another team in a lateral move unless their contract expires. In other words, if a team wanted Norv Turner, Mike Priefer (the ST coach) or George Edwards (the DC), they'd have to offer them a promotion to Assistant Head Coach or Head Coach to kure them away. they couldn't simply hire them to do the same job they do for the Vikings.

The money is negotiable. I don't think there's a set salary structure for NFL coaches.

In the rare instance that a coach is traded, I don't think it works like a player trade, where the new team picks up the coach's contract. I think a new deal is negotiated with the new team and the old team receives trade compensation.


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PurpleKoolaid wrote:
Yes, that was a great play, I dont think I will ever forget it.

I knind of asked this before but how do coaches, and trades, and money, and all that work out? Just like that players, he plays under contract, period? How long we have with Zim? Dont care about the ST coach or know alot about the DC (but ive read a few things and like what I read).


The length of Zimmer's contract hasn't been disclosed but he recently signed an extension so he should be the Vikings head coach for at least a few more years. He could be fired or traded but neither of those scenarios seems likely in the near future. While under contract, he can't choose to leave to take another NFL head coaching job without permission from the Vikings so it's unlikely he would be lured away by a huge financial offer from another team. He seems happy in Minnesota anyway.

Vikings assistant coaches would be able to leave for jobs involving a promotion but they can't go to another team in a lateral move unless their contract expires. In other words, if a team wanted Norv Turner, Mike Priefer (the ST coach) or George Edwards (the DC), they'd have to offer them a promotion to Assistant Head Coach or Head Coach to kure them away. they couldn't simply hire them to do the same job they do for the Vikings.

The money is negotiable. I don't think there's a set salary structure for NFL coaches.

In the rare instance that a coach is traded, I don't think it works like a player trade, where the new team picks up the coach's contract. I think a new deal is negotiated with the new team and the old team receives trade compensation.


And for the entirety of their 2020-2025 draft class the Vikings send Zimmer to the Browns


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I agree, Jim. Brad Johnson was a master field general among quarterbacks. The game was strategic exchange between himself and the opposing defenses, and Brad was usually up to the task. He had other qualities as well: accurate passing and timing, quick release, and remarkable composure.

BTW, remember the TD Johnson scored on his own pass. The pass was deflected and he caught the ball, then ran it in for a touchdown. I still crack up when I watch Robert Smith on the play. Smith is looking in the end zone to see if the pass was caught or not, and then suddenly he sees Brad Johnson run past him carrying the football. :D


:lol: That play was hilarious.

For those who've never seen it (or want to see it again):

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/vide ... f3ad4d58cf


Thanks for the link, Jim.

Nice awareness by Johnson. The play still makes me laugh. IIRC, Cris Carter joked after the game that from now on the Vikings wouldn't need the wide receivers for anything but blocking for Brad after he complete passes to himself. :lol:


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I couldn't get past the first 2 minutes of that video. I'm not sure who the guy is that starts answering the first question but boy is he ever annoying.

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I was laughing reading this thread. I think
a large percentage of long term fans are
afraid to fully trust the Vikings due to all
heart braking losses. I will be honest I thought
we were dead in the water after teddy.

I am going to soak up all the fun I can
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I was laughing reading this thread. I think
a large percentage of long term fans are
afraid to fully trust the Vikings due to all
heart braking losses.


It's that but even more than that, it's just the perspective of watching decades of football. I've seen many, many teams start the season hot or go on a serious winning streak during the year only to fade or lose down the stretch. Just look at the streak Seattle went on last November and into December. They looked like a Super Bowl team but after slipping past the Vikes in the wildcard round, they lost to Carolina. The Vikes have made it clear they have a genuine shot to win it all this year but a 5-0 start wins them nothing and the team seems acutely aware of that (which is good).

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I am going to soak up all the fun I can
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Corolla on a Friday night. Hopefully it's
fairy tale ending in Febuary, For Viking fans.


That's all we can really do is try to enjoy the ride and hope for the ending we want to see. :)


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That's all we can really do is try to enjoy the ride and hope for the ending we want to see. :)


Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm reading your opinion as to how to best be a Viking's fan or your philosophy on life. Either way, I like it. :thumbsup:

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That's all we can really do is try to enjoy the ride and hope for the ending we want to see. :)


Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm reading your opinion as to how to best be a Viking's fan or your philosophy on life. Either way, I like it. :thumbsup:


It's a bit of both!


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I absolutely could not watch first take when it was SAS and Skip Bayless. Both of them annoy the crap out of me.

If Dilfer can win a SB, If Brad Johnson can win a super bowl, why can't we?


It's certainly possible. :)

Poor Brad Johnson always gets lumped in with Dilfer. Brad was a pretty good quarterback!


He really was.


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First of all-- I don't watch a ton of ESPN, but I do watch more NFLN and ESPN when the Vikings are doing very well.

A couple weeks ago I had ESPN on and I heard one of these. Later I googled around to see if I could find more, and now there are three discussions on this 'First Take' show. Pretty clear Stephen A Smith is a bit of a <fill in the blank -- it's probably on point>. But the rebuttals are strong. SAS made the crazy assertion this week that if only Bradford was *worse* and the Vikings were still winning, only then would he concede we may be superbowl contenders. He seems to think that SB's play is unsustainable and that once his play falls off, we can no longer be considered anything more than a playoff team. That may be a well-founded concern, but is wholly unsubstantiated at this point. Seems if he were truly informed, he'd be hammering the 5 guys in front of SB rather than SB himself.

Anyway-- lots of Viking (dare I say love) here as well as some SAS FUD:

ESPN First Take - Did the Vikings Win Or Panthers Lose?
ESPN First Take - How Far Can the Vikings Go With Sam Bradford?
ESPN First Take - Are Minnesota Vikings The Best Team In NFL?



I agree with what you are saying but in SAS defense, what I think he was getting at is this team (this year) hasnt had to respond to a punch in mouth via a turn over or gut wrenching plays. Barring, say the first half against Carolina which just seemed like general sub par play, we haven't really had to respond to a gut check.


Are you kidding me ???
The Vikings haven't had to overcome any gut wrenching plays ???
You are right... We didn't lose our promising starting QB right before the season started!! We didn't lose the regnant rushing leader for potentially the season !! We have definitely had a great OL and consistent play from the same 5 guys though !!! Not ! Our leading WR has a groin injury, oh yeah... Forgot about that one !
This team has overcome more adversity thus far than any team that I have ever seen.
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Are you kidding me ???
The Vikings haven't had to overcome any gut wrenching plays ???
You are right... We didn't lose our promising starting QB right before the season started!! We didn't lose the regnant rushing leader for potentially the season !! We have definitely had a great OL and consistent play from the same 5 guys though !!! Not ! Our leading WR has a groin injury, oh yeah... Forgot about that one !
This team has overcome more adversity thus far than any team that I have ever seen.
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Literally none of those are plays in a game. Those have nothing to do with gameday performance. Barr isn't out there while Aaron Rodgers is hard counting going

"golly gee I sure am down in the dumps that AP is injured and oh my gosh, Teddy being out is really messing with my gameday performance. I hope I can stay focused."


WE haven't had a turnover yet. Our offense has pretty much come through in the "clutch" the entire season. We haven't been down late yet. We haven't had to do a two minute drill. Our defense hasnt HAD to force a turnover yet. THIS causes an in game gut check; Not worrying about an injury suffered 2 months ago that has since been filled and improved at.

I am getting really freaking tired of everyone going on about our Offensive injuries and how our team are demigods for overcoming; Here are the FACTS

Bradford is an UPGRADE over Teddy, empirically speaking

Currently, Mckinnon and Asiata are dramatically out producing AP this year. Empirically speaking

(Just to utterly stress this one since I know dozens will take issue with it. this season it is verified FACT that our 2nd and 3rd string runners in tandem are outproducing AP, there is ZERO evidence that AP would do better than them if inserted behind and arguably weaker line than weeks one and two. And say what you will about history or whatever. While I am sure the team loves AP, they also have to love having about 4-5 fewer TFL plays per game now).

We are well over a quarter of the way. These aren't flukes anymore, these are trends.

It is not that hard to say that both of them being out have INCREASED our chances of winning games and those professional players in the field sure as S@!T know it. I am pretty sure the players get plenty of restful sleep knowing that Bradford is under center and Mckinnon is in the backfield.


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Post Re: Interesting "First Take" exchanges regardig the vikings
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IIsweet wrote:
Are you kidding me ???
The Vikings haven't had to overcome any gut wrenching plays ???
You are right... We didn't lose our promising starting QB right before the season started!! We didn't lose the regnant rushing leader for potentially the season !! We have definitely had a great OL and consistent play from the same 5 guys though !!! Not ! Our leading WR has a groin injury, oh yeah... Forgot about that one !
This team has overcome more adversity thus far than any team that I have ever seen.
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Literally none of those are plays in a game. Those have nothing to do with gameday performance. Barr isn't out there while Aaron Rodgers is hard counting going

"golly gee I sure am down in the dumps that AP is injured and oh my gosh, Teddy being out is really messing with my gameday performance. I hope I can stay focused."


WE haven't had a turnover yet. Our offense has pretty much come through in the "clutch" the entire season. We haven't been down late yet. We haven't had to do a two minute drill. Our defense hasnt HAD to force a turnover yet. THIS causes an in game gut check; Not worrying about an injury suffered 2 months ago that has since been filled and improved at.

I am getting really freaking tired of everyone going on about our Offensive injuries and how our team are demigods for overcoming; Here are the FACTS

Bradford is an UPGRADE over Teddy, empirically speaking

Currently, Mckinnon and Asiata are dramatically out producing AP this year. Empirically speaking

(Just to utterly stress this one since I know dozens will take issue with it. this season it is verified FACT that our 2nd and 3rd string runners in tandem are outproducing AP, there is ZERO evidence that AP would do better than them if inserted behind and arguably weaker line than weeks one and two. And say what you will about history or whatever. While I am sure the team loves AP, they also have to love having about 4-5 fewer TFL plays per game now)


The TFL problem wasn't Peterson's fault and it hasn't gone away. If I'm not mistaken, Jadaveon Clowney alone had 4 TFLs against the Vikings in their last game.

There's "ZERO" evidence that Peterson would have rushed for more yardage than Asiata and McKinnon have in his absence because he hasn't played. It would be equally true to say there's zero evidence that he wouldn't have out-performed them. There's no way to know but the "history or whatever' you want to conveniently set aside suggests he would have had been pretty productive.

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It is not that hard to say that both of them being out have INCREASED our chances of winning games and those professional players in the field sure as S@!T know it.


Do they really? I doubt there's a player on the team that thinks losing Peterson has improved the Vikes chances. They actually respect his ability.

The offense has made some adjustments since he went down but I think those were adjustments that needed to be made anyway and should have been made whether he was healthy or not.


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