Mothman wrote:But at least he still makes the plays to compile those stats. The younger, supposedly likely to be more in demand Michael Johnson seems to have the inconsistency without the productivity.
Inconsistent. That's a good description of Allen's performance. I know nothing about Michael Johnson.
Allen looks to me like he could be very effective for a few more years if he was willing to accept a slightly less demanding role. He wants to be on the field for every play, which is admirable, but I think one of the reasons he sometimes disappears is that he wears down.
For the right price, just about anyone can be of some value in a limited role.
Mothman wrote:
But at least he still makes the plays to compile those stats. The younger, supposedly likely to be more in demand Michael Johnson seems to have the inconsistency without the productivity.
Allen looks to me like he could be very effective for a few more years if he was willing to accept a slightly less demanding role. He wants to be on the field for every play, which is admirable, but I think one of the reasons he sometimes disappears is that he wears down.
I watched almost every game last year, and its frustrating seeing his production/stats go down so much from 2 years ago. However, 2 years ago, the Williams' were doing something in the middle as well. Greenway was productive, Winfield was someone people had to watchout for ect. Not to take a page out of the Clowney supporters book, but when you are one of the only players on the field that concern the opposing team, they find ways to keep you in check. He does seem to be in decline though, that much is for sure. I just think he has more left than what he is getting credit for. And the defense was so bad last year... If we can get a DT that can put some pressure up the middle, some DB/LBs that can cover and make a QB hold on to the ball longer than 3 secs, I think he could have a great year again. Its true what they say, Great DBs make the front 7 look really good, and great front 7 can make average DBs look alot better. But when both those things are suspect, they whole works can look like a giant steaming pile of Poo.
KSViking wrote:I watched almost every game last year, and its frustrating seeing his production/stats go down so much from 2 years ago. However, 2 years ago, the Williams' were doing something in the middle as well.
Pat Wiliams didn't play in 2011. His last year was 2010.
I agree with much of your sentiment, though. The effectiveness of each man on defense is highly dependent on the other ten guys playing with him. But certainly one reason for the defense's drastic free fall last year was Allen being far less of a force on the field than in his younger days.
KSViking wrote:I watched almost every game last year, and its frustrating seeing his production/stats go down so much from 2 years ago. However, 2 years ago, the Williams' were doing something in the middle as well. Greenway was productive, Winfield was someone people had to watchout for ect. Not to take a page out of the Clowney supporters book, but when you are one of the only players on the field that concern the opposing team, they find ways to keep you in check.
Plus, his sack total that year was historic. He nearly came away with a record for most sacks in a single season. The numbers he put up that season aren't sustainable on an annual basis. Allen basically regressed back toward his career average, which was expected and it's what usually happens to a player who gets 18+ sacks in a season.
I definitely think improving the interior of the DL and upgrading the back 7 could help him. I don't know if he'll be back though. It will be interesting to see what happens. I'm kind of expecting Allen to end up signing a relatively short contract with a serious contender.
I would like to see the Vikings trade down and do it far enough to pick up an extra 2nd rounder. At whatever pick they trade down to take the best available Defensive Player. At their 2nd pick take Mettenburg or the kid from Eastern Illinois. Get off the Aaron Murray band wagon. he is a product of the Alabama system and will fail miserably in the NFL. At the vikings secone 2nd round pick I would like to see them draft WR Abbrederis out of Wisconsin. I know not a great need but he is the perfect possession type receiver we need. capeable of the homerun ball but more likely to get you that 8 yards on 3rd and 7 and keep the chains moving. He catches everything evn when tightly covered and according to the scouts he is the most NFL ready receiver when it comes to running routes. Also he could be the eventual replacement for Jennings in a couple years.
PurpleScout wrote:I would like to see the Vikings trade down and do it far enough to pick up an extra 2nd rounder. At whatever pick they trade down to take the best available Defensive Player. At their 2nd pick take Mettenburg or the kid from Eastern Illinois. Get off the Aaron Murray band wagon. he is a product of the Alabama system and will fail miserably in the NFL. At the vikings secone 2nd round pick I would like to see them draft WR Abbrederis out of Wisconsin. I know not a great need but he is the perfect possession type receiver we need. capeable of the homerun ball but more likely to get you that 8 yards on 3rd and 7 and keep the chains moving. He catches everything evn when tightly covered and according to the scouts he is the most NFL ready receiver when it comes to running routes. Also he could be the eventual replacement for Jennings in a couple years.
Mettenburg? Aaron Murray a product of the Alabama system? I think you are confused.
PurpleScout wrote:I would like to see the Vikings trade down and do it far enough to pick up an extra 2nd rounder. At whatever pick they trade down to take the best available Defensive Player. At their 2nd pick take Mettenburg or the kid from Eastern Illinois. Get off the Aaron Murray band wagon. he is a product of the Alabama system and will fail miserably in the NFL. At the vikings secone 2nd round pick I would like to see them draft WR Abbrederis out of Wisconsin. I know not a great need but he is the perfect possession type receiver we need. capeable of the homerun ball but more likely to get you that 8 yards on 3rd and 7 and keep the chains moving. He catches everything evn when tightly covered and according to the scouts he is the most NFL ready receiver when it comes to running routes. Also he could be the eventual replacement for Jennings in a couple years.
In reference to Aaron Murray, he played at Georgia Mccarron played for Alabama.
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Wonder if Clowney fell to us, and Teddy was gone, would we take him?
If not Teddy, I am thinking trade down for Nix, then grab Jimmy in the 2nd. I actually think Mosley is going to fit Zimmer more then Mack. Plus I bet Zimmer that LB (I forget his name) with him. If that happens, DBs are a bigger need. And go after Vener (please no one say Shields, I cant take another Packer).
Mccarron played for Alabama.