Here's the thing about Jim Brown.VikeMike wrote: That's exactly why AD is on my list. Maybe he moves up, maybe he doesn't. It's just my opinion, nothing more.
Brown certainly faced defenses crowding the box. Same with Payton and Campbell. I think it's just amazing that Peterson should be in the conversation ... He's an incredible runner and I'm damn glad the Vikings scooped him up in the draft. Can you imagine him as a Brown? Ugh.
You're right, Moth, it's hard to compare players of different eras. If Brown didn't retire when he still had plenty of gas in the tank, the distance between the rest might be greater. And, obviously, some great backs are not mentioned when you whittle down to a top five. Simpson (although his legacy is so different now), Faulk, Sayers, Jackson, Allen, Smith. That's some great company!
He was 6-2 and 232 pounds. In his day, LINEMEN weren't much more than 232 pounds. Some examples of players Brown played against: Alex Karras, a 4-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle, weighed 242. Forrest Gregg, a HOF offensive tackle, weighed 249. Doug Atkins, a HOF defensive end, weighed 258 but was 6-8. Alan Page came along AFTER Jim Brown, and Vikings fans know he typically weighed in at 240 tops. Carl Eller played at 247. Merlin Olsen was considered enormous at 270.
Basically, the people trying to bring down Jim Brown weren't significantly bigger than he was. But they were almost all slower. By comparison, imagine Adrian Peterson weighing 275 pounds and being the fastest guy on the field. That would be the comparison -- almost as big as the linemen, bigger than the linebackers, and faster than everybody. That's what Brown had going for him.
Not diminishing Brown's accomplishments. Not at all. He was great. I never saw him play, but I've seen plenty of film. Great back. But he played in another era under an extremely different set of circumstances.
Of course, Adrian doesn't have Brown's numbers yet, and chances are that he won't, mainly because his running style will likely cut his career short. But to me, to my eyes, he's just as good as Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and certainly Emmitt Smith ever were.