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Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Tark10 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:52 am

Many variables come in to play including injuries and how fast the new guys can develop. I haven't seen much from this team in preseason and it appears we shouldn't expect too much this year. Considering the high level of competition in this division, the fact that Peterson will be brought along slowly, no Simpson for the first 4 games.. MY PREDICTION IS 3, maybe 4 wins at best. Anything more then 6 would be considered a successful season beyond expectations. Let us hope Ponder continues to develop and the team continues to improve as a whole. My heart goes out to all suffering Viking fans. I've been a Viking fan since 1972 and it's been a painful experience. Luckily, my early years were spent growing up in New York and also grew up a diehard Giant fan. I wish the same success for this franchise and their loyal fans. Be patient with Ponder. It took Eli 3 years to get a good grip and look at his success. He's entering his 9th season at 31 yrs old. Two Super Bowl wins and two MVP"s.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Mothman » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:15 am

Tark10 wrote:Many variables come in to play including injuries and how fast the new guys can develop. I haven't seen much from this team in preseason and it appears we shouldn't expect too much this year. Considering the high level of competition in this division, the fact that Peterson will be brought along slowly, no Simpson for the first 4 games.. MY PREDICTION IS 3, maybe 4 wins at best. Anything more then 6 would be considered a successful season beyond expectations. Let us hope Ponder continues to develop and the team continues to improve as a whole. My heart goes out to all suffering Viking fans. I've been a Viking fan since 1972 and it's been a painful experience. Luckily, my early years were spent growing up in New York and also grew up a diehard Giant fan. I wish the same success for this franchise and their loyal fans. Be patient with Ponder. It took Eli 3 years to get a good grip and look at his success. He's entering his 9th season at 31 yrs old. Two Super Bowl wins and two MVP"s.
We can only hope Ponder will reward patience like Eli did!

Did Tarkenton playing for both the Giants and Vikes have an influence on you becoming a fan of both teams?

By the way, I think Simpson will be suspended for the first 3 games, not the first 4.

I never consider preseason an accurate indication of how a team will do in the regular season but the more I look at the Vikings, the more they reinforce the perception that they're in the midst of a serious rebuilding project. Even if the additions of Simpson and Carlson work out, the Vikes need more firepower on offense. The o-line is still shaky and has a lot to prove. They desperately need Kalil to become a keystone player and lock down the LT position for a long time. Heck, despite all the focus on Ponder, their #1 key to success this year might be o-line play.

The defense has as many questions as the offense.

I don't know if the talent has improved enough to do much better than you're predicting. Their ceiling is probably 8-8 but 5 or 6 wins is more realistic and they could easily be a 3-4 win team as you're predicting.

I've gone back and forth on this but I think I'll make my final prediction for this season 5-11. I hope it's better and I pray it isn't worse.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by doa2k » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:28 am

6-10
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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by PurpleKoolaid » Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:27 am

4-12

Fraizer has to go sometime this year if things go like it looks like they are going. We are still the worst blitzing team i have ever seen.

The next time we see Ponder, he will most likely be playing at home against Jacksonvile, and we could very well loose that game.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by joe h » Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:48 pm

We have the talent and schedule to go 8-8, would not be shocked if we win two more games and grab a wc.

Anything less and I will be done with the frazier.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Mothman » Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:57 pm

joe h wrote:We have the talent and schedule to go 8-8, would not be shocked if we win two more games and grab a wc.

Anything less and I will be done with the frazier.
You might as well send him a "goodbye" card then because those are pretty high expectations for this Vikings roster...

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by JellyBean2144 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:59 pm

I am sticking with my earlier prediction of 5-11. Thisi is going to be a long season.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Demi » Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:10 pm

6-10 is my guess. can't see them not being within two wins either way.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by headless_norseman » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:46 pm

Anywhere from 5-11 to 9-7.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by hibbingviking » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:48 pm

4-12 :govikes:

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Juice » Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:21 am

7-9 Jags, Colts, Skins, Cards, Rams, Lions, Packers (week 17- they will be resting starters)
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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by jackal » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:41 am

5-7 wins even with an easy schedule compared to a lot of teams

last preseason game even made me wonder if we were going to win 6 or not

If less than six wins we should fire all the coaches and keep our GM

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Lash Man » Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:10 pm

Ill throw my hat in the ring and say 8-8 due to a very favorable early schedule . I think the team gets a huge boost when AD comes back and when Simpson returns from suspension he gives Ponder the deep threat that we desperately need to keep 8 men out of the box. :v):
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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by shannontw » Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:40 pm

i dont have no prediction. Just have faith and let everything play out. no one expect bears to play in NFC championship game in 2011 after going 0-4 in preseason. Same for 49ers last season.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Tark10 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:29 am

Mothman. You are correct connecting me to the Vikings due to the Tarkenton connection with the Giants. He never got his just do because of guys like Bradshaw, Staubach, Namath, Stabler, Brodie, Unitas, etc... He was exciting to watch and would somehow get the job done. All except Super Bowls. The defenses always played well. The offenses would have little time of possession and the defenses would crack in the 2nd half of those Super Bowl losses. At least we're not Bills fans. I couldn't imagine losing 4 in a row..I'll stick with my prediction of 3-4 wins and hope I'm wrong. I can't help looking at Frazier and seeing a black Bud Grant. Hat, headset, absolutely no facial expression at all. Don't know if he's at a new years eve party or a funeral.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by mansquatch » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:29 am

I’m going to get all crazy and say 7-9! I think that if our CB can stay healthy then our defense is going to be quite capable of generating 3 and outs. Our OL is on the rise and Gerhart is a bruiser style back who can grind out some tough yards. The key to it all is the QB limiting mistakes and making enough throws to keep the opposing defense honest. That is the central question for this season IMO.
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Post by NextQuestion » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:01 pm

Tark10 wrote:Mothman. You are correct connecting me to the Vikings due to the Tarkenton connection with the Giants. He never got his just do because of guys like Bradshaw, Staubach, Namath, Stabler, Brodie, Unitas, etc... He was exciting to watch and would somehow get the job done. All except Super Bowls. The defenses always played well. The offenses would have little time of possession and the defenses would crack in the 2nd half of those Super Bowl losses. At least we're not Bills fans. I couldn't imagine losing 4 in a row..I'll stick with my prediction of 3-4 wins and hope I'm wrong. I can't help looking at Frazier and seeing a black Bud Grant. Hat, headset, absolutely no facial expression at all. Don't know if he's at a new years eve party or a funeral.
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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Just Me » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:31 pm

NextQuestion wrote: Bud Grant only Frazier can't win.
I feel obligated to point this out - Bud Grant has only 3 wins his first season at HC, too. Now that's a little deceptive as they only played 14 games then and Grant also managed to get 3 ties along with his 3 wins, so he certainly lost fewer games than Frazier. But, if your wanting to suggest that a 3-8-3 season puts him "head and shoulders" above Frazier's first season, I don't know about that. It should be noted (if we're making the comparison) that Grant turned the team around to 8-6 in his seond year. If Frazier manages to get 8 wins out of this squad, I agree with the poster that supports a statue of him be erected in his honor. I don't have a W-L goal. I want to see if Ponder plays well enough to determine he is our long-term answer at QB. I want to see improved safety play, and pass coverage in general from everyone. I think the latter is a tall enough order that if I see both accomplished we should get around 6 wins (with our scheduled).

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Laserman » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:53 pm

Anything more than 4 wins will require a miracle and alot of luck. Let's face it, our team is really bad. We Will be for another 2-3 seasons at best until draft picks begin to mature. Across the board with very few exeptions we are very very very weak at almost every position. I won't be paying for the NFL ticket for awhile. I look for us to be drafting in the top 3 next draft

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Just Me » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:22 pm

Laserman wrote:Anything more than 4 wins will require a miracle and alot of luck. Let's face it, our team is really bad. We Will be for another 2-3 seasons at best until draft picks begin to mature. Across the board with very few exeptions we are very very very weak at almost every position. I won't be paying for the NFL ticket for awhile. I look for us to be drafting in the top 3 next draft
I'm not sure it's quite that bad. :)

Don't get me wrong: It's not that I can't imagine us picking in the top 3 (after winning only 4 games) it's just that I don't think it's that much of a stretch for us to show improvement this year. Last year, despite everything against us, including a washed up veteran QB who obviously was around to just collect a paycheck and a defense that thinks pass coverage refers to interviewing opposing receivers for the nightly news after they've scored a TD; we still managed 3 wins. I think we get 4 wins just with a "normal" off-season and if we can actually remember what a pass-defense is supposed to look like, we might just gain a win or two more. Maybe the Vikes fielding an average pass-defense was the miracle you were referring to :lol:

In short, I wouldn't be shocked with only 4 wins, but I think the Vikes do better. Playoffs? (Insert Mora Meltdown here) No. I think they can show improvement, however. My question is: If they do improve (by however we define it) but it doesn't show up in the W column at the end of the season, do you think the Viking fans will be patient? (I realize it really only matters if the Wilf's are patient, but anyway...) If Ponder somehow has a good year but we still end up with 3 wins, will (or should) Frazier be shown the door? Just me thinking (typing) out loud....
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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Mothman » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:32 pm

Just Me wrote:Don't get me wrong: It's not that I can't imagine us picking in the top 3 (after winning only 4 games) it's just that I don't think it's that much of a stretch for us to show improvement this year. Last year, despite everything against us, including a washed up veteran QB who obviously was around to just collect a paycheck and a defense that thinks pass coverage refers to interviewing opposing receivers for the nightly news after they've scored a TD; we still managed 3 wins. I think we get 4 wins just with a "normal" off-season and if we can actually remember what a pass-defense is supposed to look like, we might just gain a win or two more. Maybe the Vikes fielding an average pass-defense was the miracle you were referring to :lol:
LOL!

The Vikes were close enough in a number of games last year that they could actually end up being pretty good this year. It's really tough to say until we see them play some games that count. Their defense looked dominant at times early last season. If they can improve against the pass and get more support from the offense, they might be able to turn some early games against beatable opponents into wins and momentum for the rest of the season. If they didn't play in such a tough division I think there would be a little more reason for optimism but the Bears, Packers and Lions all represent formidable challenges and decent chunk of the schedule.
In short, I wouldn't be shocked with only 4 wins, but I think the Vikes do better. Playoffs? (Insert Mora Meltdown here) No. I think they can show improvement, however. My question is: If they do improve (by however we define it) but it doesn't show up in the W column at the end of the season, do you think the Viking fans will be patient?


Some will but I think the majority will be impatient.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by mansquatch » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:47 pm

I think it comes down to inuries (ie the secondary) and whether or not Ponder can develop. If Ponder can give us Alex Smith numbers and our CB can stay on the field we'll do fine.
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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by mondry » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:28 pm

I'm gonna go with 8-8. The first 8 games are just crazy easy, i wouldn't be surprised if we were 5-3 or 6-2 after that, then they only snag 2-3 more wins in the last 8 cause as easy as the first half is, the second half looks pretty brutal.

We lost 9 games by a TD or less and obviously woulda shoulda coulda doesn't matter at all, however, we had freaking mcnabb playing for QB, we had guys off the street starting at CB. No camp or anything for a rookie QB. I'm not trying to make excuses, other bad things could happen this year or whatever, some are unavoidable, however, to think the team will only win 3 games this year just doesn't compute. That would mean losing 5 games to some combination of jags, colts, titans, redskins, cardinals, bucs, seahawks, and rams, while also losing every single game we "should lose." I give that about a 5% chance of happening.

I think we get a few bounces our way this year and the team improves enough to get those close wins, :govikes:

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by hibbingviking » Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:22 pm

vikings get #1 pick in 2013 nfl draft. :govikes:

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Post by yezzir » Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:15 pm

7-9. The 4 game improvement will allow Frazier and his super best friends coaching staff another year.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by hibbingviking » Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:40 pm

vikings will be in last place in the "norris" divison. offense has looked anemic in the preseason.

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Post by akvikingsfan » Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:54 pm

One day before the start of the season and I'll throw my prediction in here. I believe we will win between 6 and 10 games. It all depends on the offensive play. I believe our defense is good enough to keep us close (no blow outs) but I'm not sure if our offense can put up the points needed to win the games. If Peterson comes back strong and Ponder grows as a QB I could see us winning closer to 10 games. But if Peterson has lost a step and Ponder doesn't develop it can be another long season for us fans. My prediction is that we will be 9-7 with an outside chance of making the playoffs (as a wild card) late in the season, but we lose too many games down the stretch and miss the wildcard by 1 game.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by Greg » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:05 am

Revising my earlier 4-12 to a now optimistic 7-9
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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by J. Kapp 11 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:16 pm

I've been giving this a lot of careful thought.

Running the numbers over and over, analyzing the roster, studying the Vikings' opponents carefully, filtering through Leslie Frazier's tendencies (both in-game and pre-game, including meals), factoring in the potentially reduced role of Adrian Peterson, adjusting for Christian Ponder's probability to either grow or regress, estimating the points-per-game differential caused by our secondary's youth/lack of talent, calculating the Chris-Kluwe-is-a-rock-god-in-his-own-mind effect, compensating for the number of 70+ yard field goals Blair Walsh is likely to make, and extrapolating the potential effect of weather on our home games, I have concluded with a reasonably high degree of certainty ...

... we will NOT lose more than 16 games.

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Re: Time For 2012 W/L Predictions

Post by The Breeze » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:34 pm

Hard to get a feel for this years Vikes. Their defense could keep them in games if they are healthy and play together. If Ponder gets time and matures some in the decision dept. I could see them winning 8-9....but it's just as easy seeing them struggle to win 5-7.

Neither will surprise me unfortunately. I just want to see improvement in the trenches and the secondary, without stepping back elsewhere.

I'll say 8-8

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