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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by Juice » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:38 am

dead_poet wrote: I agree on everything but OL. What was once a glaring weakness has quietly become a position of strength fairly quickly. They probably have a top-15 (or top-10) o-line.

I agree. Sullivan is coming off a real nice year. It looks as though we've killed two birds with one stone with the Kalil pick allowing us to slide Johnson to the LG spot. Loadholt finished last season on a high note. (I believe he only allowed the QB to get hit once in his last 10 games).
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by dead_poet » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:10 am

Juice wrote:I agree. Sullivan is coming off a real nice year. It looks as though we've killed two birds with one stone with the Kalil pick allowing us to slide Johnson to the LG spot. Loadholt finished last season on a high note. (I believe he only allowed the QB to get hit once in his last 10 games).
I was actually referencing the Packers' line. :)

But our own should be much improved. I think it could be one of strength in a couple of years, after they have a chance to gel a bit. It may be rough at first. My biggest concern is Loadholt in the passing game. I'm also hoping Fusco can hold his own and at least be serviceable.
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by Juice » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:39 am

dead_poet wrote: I was actually referencing the Packers' line. :)

But our own should be much improved. I think it could be one of strength in a couple of years, after they have a chance to gel a bit. It may be rough at first. My biggest concern is Loadholt in the passing game. I'm also hoping Fusco can hold his own and at least be serviceable.
:oops: Oh my. I'm an idiot, how embarrassing. I was about to put in that I didn't think we were quite at that range yet, too. Little late for that. :lol:
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by losperros » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:58 am

80 PurplePride 84 wrote:You'll probably laugh but I could see the Pack trading for/signing T-Jack after he officially loses his job to Flynn.

Maybe not that far-fetched. T-Jack has plenty of NFL experience, mobility, and he knows the division.

Obviously T-Jack isn't a solid QB, but with Aaron Rodgers around, all TJ has to be is a capable backup.
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by mansquatch » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:19 am

dead_poet wrote: I agree on everything but OL. What was once a glaring weakness has quietly become a position of strength fairly quickly. They probably have a top-15 (or top-10) o-line.

It's striking how much the Packers and Lions have in common this season: great QBs, a questionable running game and defense.
Not something the Purple should relie on, but of the 3 team's QBs, I believe Stafford and Cutler both spent time hurt last year. The bears completely fell apart without Cutler, which I think says something about the state of their defense. Ditto with the Lions. The Packers are IMO, the NFC version of the Peyton Manning Colts. The division is theirs if Rogers stays healthy and consistent. If he plays like he did against the Giants in the playoffs then the division is wide open between the 3 of them.
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by Demi » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:19 pm

They have just as many problems as the Vikings only they had a winning season last year.
They have a competent quarterback, front office, and coach. And that's all you need to consistently compete. The Vikings have none of them. And that's why they won 15 games and we won 3.

Not many teams (any?) would be able to lose their starting QB and still compete for a wild card spot much less remain anywhere near what they were.

And I really doubt the Packers are stupid enough to want anything to do with TJoke. The guy has shown on two separate teams that he's not a very good quarterback. And Graham Harrell is just as likely to be a "capable" backup as Jackson is.
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by Laserman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:45 pm

Is anybody really defending T-Joke? Really? I'm suprised any team has any interest in him at all. Hell any 2nd string RB could play QB better than than him
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by Just Me » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:05 am

Eli wrote:A major injury to Aaron Rodgers and they're instantly the worst team in the division.
Any chance they play the Saints early in their schedule? :wink:
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by glg » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:29 am

Laserman wrote:Is anybody really defending T-Joke? Really? I'm suprised any team has any interest in him at all. Hell any 2nd string RB could play QB better than than him
Not even close. Look, we all know he's not a starter, but he's a hell of a lot better than "any 2nd string RB". Don't get clouded by the fact that Chili was forcing him into a starter's role when it wasn't there.
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by Eli » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:17 am

Jackson could end up in Green Bay. Seriously. ANYTHING is better than Graham Harrell.
Seahawks attempts to trade Tarvaris Jackson to intensify this week

Green Bay is expected to seek a better back-up option, and Jackson fits that bill (Seattle general manager John Schneider spent much of career with the Packers and has strong ties there). Other GMs believe Cleveland back-up Colt McCoy could be a possible fit for the Packers as well, with one suggesting Miami's Matt Moore as a possibility for Arizona depending on how the Dolphins quarterback situation shapes up and whether or not David Garrard can return quickly from his knee scope.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-o ... l/19826262
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by Just Me » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:05 am

glg wrote: Not even close. Look, we all know he's not a starter, but he's a hell of a lot better than "any 2nd string RB". Don't get clouded by the fact that Chili was forcing him into a starter's role when it wasn't there.
+1 - I always wanted Jackson to leave because I had this fear that he was always going to be named the starter at some point in the season (while Childress was here) and he just wasn't that good. I always liked his work ethic and attitude, and wouldn't even have a problem if he returned as long as it was clearly understood he was backup material only. I don't see that happening, but we could do alot worse in the backup QB department than Jackson...
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Re: Can the Vikings find success quickly?

Post by Mothman » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:30 am

Just Me wrote: +1 - I always wanted Jackson to leave because I had this fear that he was always going to be named the starter at some point in the season (while Childress was here) and he just wasn't that good. I always liked his work ethic and attitude, and wouldn't even have a problem if he returned as long as it was clearly understood he was backup material only. I don't see that happening, but we could do alot worse in the backup QB department than Jackson...
That's true but I think they can do better too, not that they're necessarily doing it now. ;) I suppose it depends on how the team wants to approach the position and who is available. TJ is good enough to serve as a backup but ideally, I think it's better to have a young backup with more upside than that, someone who could eventually become a legitimate NFL starter. I'm thinking of QBs like Matt Hasselbeck, Matt Schaub or Matt Cassel. In other words, it should be someone named Matt!

Seriously, the 3 QBs I mentioned above all spent time as young backups but were able to become legitimate NFL starters. Super Bowl-winning QBs like Jeff Hostetler, Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner and Tom Brady all began their careers as backups too. I understand that a team can't always get backups like that but at this point, I see Jackson more like a younger Rosenfels, a veteran who can give you something off the bench but who no longer has an upside as a legitimate NFL starter. Rosenfels is obviously quite a bit older and I'm not comparing their style of play, just saying they're veterans who have probably shown the best they have to offer.

All of the above is why I think the Vikes need to be prepared to cut bait with Webb or demote him to 3rd on the depth chart if he doesn't make great strides forward this year. Thus far, as a QB, he's a phenomenal runner. They need a backup with more upside as a passer and if Webb can't demonstrate that, they need to add a young player who does.
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