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 Percy Harvin Kickoff Returns 

Should Percy be the primary KO Returner?
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 Percy Harvin Kickoff Returns 
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Post Percy Harvin Kickoff Returns
Without getting into pissing matches, I am curious about what everyone's opinions are as far as Percy returning kicks (Kickoffs, not punts).

IMO, I think he should be the primary KO returner because whenever he does it is electric. Even when he doesn't score, it seems he is just one tackle away from breaking it. If you look at Percy Harvin Kickoff Returns on YouTube (or Percy Harvin Highlights), it is easy to see that there are not many players better than him at returns.

What do you all think?

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Post Re: Percy Harvin Kickoff Returns
I'm voting yes simply because Harvin is darn good at returning kicks, which helps the team.


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I'm voting no. The reason is that I believe he is more valuable as an offensive threat and I believe that KO return duty would shorten his career and effectiveness with the offense. Hester is a singular return talent, and I'd love to have a Hester-clone with the Vikings, but Harvin isn't him. What he adds to the offense is far more vital, IMO.

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I'm voting no. The reason is that I believe he is more valuable as an offensive threat and I believe that KO return duty would shorten his career and effectiveness with the offense. Hester is a singular return talent, and I'd love to have a Hester-clone with the Vikings, but Harvin isn't him. What he adds to the offense is far more vital, IMO.


You idiot!

Just kiddig. I totally get that angle. What about when the team needs a spark, like if they are down by 4 with 45 secods left to GB or something? Kind of like "spot duty" KO Returns?

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I'm voting no. The reason is that I believe he is more valuable as an offensive threat and I believe that KO return duty would shorten his career and effectiveness with the offense. Hester is a singular return talent, and I'd love to have a Hester-clone with the Vikings, but Harvin isn't him. What he adds to the offense is far more vital, IMO.


You idiot!

Just kiddig. I totally get that angle. What about when the team needs a spark, like if they are down by 4 with 45 secods left to GB or something? Kind of like "spot duty" KO Returns?


I honestly still say no. The force at which ST players collide and the angles they hit seem tailor-made to increase the chance of injury. Of course, I have no hard data with which to support that position, but those hits, even in limited action, take their toll. There are other players with speed and agility who could help provide that spark as well, and if that is the goal, why not have AD return kicks? :wink:

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As awesome and explosive he is he needs to be out there every play on offense but if they need him in the 4th or die of need situations I think you put him back there.

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Post Re: Percy Harvin Kickoff Returns
I say yes. Not the primary KR ... the only KR. I want to see him on the field for every kickoff that the Vikings take.

Two things:

1. How many kickoffs are even returnable any more? If he takes some big chances and brings out anything less than 8 yards deep, I would guess less than half of them.

2. The Vikings are unlikely to be a scoring juggernaut for the foreseeable future. Which mean they'll see fewer kickoffs than the average team would.


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Post Re: Percy Harvin Kickoff Returns
PurpleMustReign wrote:
BGM wrote:
I'm voting no. The reason is that I believe he is more valuable as an offensive threat and I believe that KO return duty would shorten his career and effectiveness with the offense. Hester is a singular return talent, and I'd love to have a Hester-clone with the Vikings, but Harvin isn't him. What he adds to the offense is far more vital, IMO.


You idiot!

Just kiddig. I totally get that angle. What about when the team needs a spark, like if they are down by 4 with 45 secods left to GB or something? Kind of like "spot duty" KO Returns?


That's what I'd favor. I think he should be used as a KO returner, just not as the primary KO returner. I think that would take too much out of him over the course of a season and, as Brian said, he's too vital to the offense to do that. I'd use him strategically during the regular season and make him the primary returner in playoff games.


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2. The Vikings are unlikely to be a scoring juggernaut for the foreseeable future. Which mean they'll see fewer kickoffs than the average team would.


Wouldn't number of kickoffs seen relate to the defense not the offense?


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I have been pushing for Harvin to the be main KR for a long time. He is simply too dangerous to not have return kicks.

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Unless one of the rookies, or ST guys, can prove they are better, ofc he should. Hes one of the best at it.


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Should he be back there........absolutely........ but only on K/O's where he has a little extra time to field the ball cleanly and to see a seam that he feels he can take advantage of by returning it. If the ball is kicked into the end zone and he does'nt see anything then there is no risk of injury and we get the ball at the 20 but....... how often do we hear "this is a game of field position"?

IMO Having Harvin returning K/O's would certainly give the offense improved field position to start drives and that improved field position could be the difference between scoring points and punting the ball away.


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glg wrote:
Eli wrote:
2. The Vikings are unlikely to be a scoring juggernaut for the foreseeable future. Which mean they'll see fewer kickoffs than the average team would.


Wouldn't number of kickoffs seen relate to the defense not the offense?


Doh!! Maybe _more_ than the average team. :oops:


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I'm all for having him back there. I understand the wear and tear\injury POV....but I think the risk is overblown. In fact, i'm of the opinion that the guys getting hurt on returns are rarely the ball carriers. It's usually guys getting hit while they're looking elsewhere. Can't even remember the last time I saw a guy get hurt on a kickoff and it was the return man.
I do think it would add some wear and tear...but if the guy is only seeing 50% of the offensive snaps in the first place then use him back there. He's a threat to go for 6 every time. Hester is the only guy better IMO


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I'm all for having him back there. I understand the wear and tear\injury POV....but I think the risk is overblown. In fact, i'm of the opinion that the guys getting hurt on returns are rarely the ball carriers. It's usually guys getting hit while they're looking elsewhere. Can't even remember the last time I saw a guy get hurt on a kickoff and it was the return man.
I do think it would add some wear and tear...but if the guy is only seeing 50% of the offensive snaps in the first place then use him back there. He's a threat to go for 6 every time. Hester is the only guy better IMO



I agree with you too but I think Patrick Peterson is actually better than Hester and Percy at the return game.

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NO, I really don't think his returns are worth the risk this year, we should wait for a couple seasons or find another one.
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Post Re: Percy Harvin Kickoff Returns
Primarily....no but definately in certain situations. I think Harvin is to talented to be just part of the wr core, but i think having him 100% on special teams might take away from his success in the passing game. Mainly just because of fatigue.

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Percy is a Jack of all trades, and he thrives on it. Why wouldn't we want him on Kick off duty? Last I checked, being closer to the end zone is a good thing.

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No. percy needs to be used more like desean jackson is being used in philly.


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No. percy needs to be used more like desean jackson is being used in philly.


On Punt Returns?

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I'm all for having him back there. I understand the wear and tear\injury POV....but I think the risk is overblown. In fact, i'm of the opinion that the guys getting hurt on returns are rarely the ball carriers. It's usually guys getting hit while they're looking elsewhere. Can't even remember the last time I saw a guy get hurt on a kickoff and it was the return man.
I do think it would add some wear and tear...but if the guy is only seeing 50% of the offensive snaps in the first place then use him back there. He's a threat to go for 6 every time. Hester is the only guy better IMO



I agree with you too but I think Patrick Peterson is actually better than Hester and Percy at the return game.



You could be on to something there. I honestly haven't seen him much...but there is definitely a buzz about him to go with his stats. I forgot about him


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I'm voting no. The reason is that I believe he is more valuable as an offensive threat and I believe that KO return duty would shorten his career and effectiveness with the offense. Hester is a singular return talent, and I'd love to have a Hester-clone with the Vikings, but Harvin isn't him. What he adds to the offense is far more vital, IMO.


You idiot!

Just kiddig. I totally get that angle. What about when the team needs a spark, like if they are down by 4 with 45 secods left to GB or something? Kind of like "spot duty" KO Returns?


I honestly still say no. The force at which ST players collide and the angles they hit seem tailor-made to increase the chance of injury. Of course, I have no hard data with which to support that position, but those hits, even in limited action, take their toll. There are other players with speed and agility who could help provide that spark as well, and if that is the goal, why not have AD return kicks? :wink:

I totally agree.


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why not have AD return kicks?


I remember having this same discussion his first couple years! And my response is the same, get them off special teams. Percy needs to be on the first for 100% of offensive snaps. Exhaustion, injuries, exhaustion leading to injuries. I'm sure there's someone else on the roster at a backup receiver or corner spot that could do the job, maybe not as well, but close enough to make up the difference.


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why not have AD return kicks?


I remember having this same discussion his first couple years! And my response is the same, get them off special teams. Percy needs to be on the first for 100% of offensive snaps. Exhaustion, injuries, exhaustion leading to injuries. I'm sure there's someone else on the roster at a backup receiver or corner spot that could do the job, maybe not as well, but close enough to make up the difference.


I remember AD returned a kick against Chicago in his first season and nearly took it all the way. I wouldn't mind seeing him do that.

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why not have AD return kicks?


I remember having this same discussion his first couple years! And my response is the same, get them off special teams. Percy needs to be on the first for 100% of offensive snaps. Exhaustion, injuries, exhaustion leading to injuries. I'm sure there's someone else on the roster at a backup receiver or corner spot that could do the job, maybe not as well, but close enough to make up the difference.


I remember AD returned a kick against Chicago in his first season and nearly took it all the way. I wouldn't mind seeing him do that.


Way too risky. No point now that it is a touchback league. You cannot put your 2nd best offensive player and far best WR on kickoffs in the regular season. Maybe in the playoffs for punts. Never kickoffs.


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Post Re: Percy Harvin Kickoff Returns
No, not the primary kick off guy, returners take far too much of a beating and Percy hasn't exactly proven to be made of steel. He needs to be used on offense more, STs less. However, he is a threat to take it the distance everytime, and kickoff TDs can provide a spark for a team that can often change the game, so I do think he should be put in from time to time when the team needs a lift.

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You put your best players in the positions where they can do the most good. For PH thats returning kicks. Hes one of the best. You cant play to think your going to get hurt on a play. He takes more damage playing returner then SLOT. YOU PLAY TO WIN. Something I hope the Vikings realize one of these years.


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