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Excited. You are familiar with Ponder so you feel good about him. 11%  11%  [ 8 ]
Excited. You don't know him that well but think he might have that "something" and/or you trust Spielman's track record in the 1st round. 15%  15%  [ 11 ]
Good. You don't know a lot, but feel Musgrave and Frazier will mold him into a top guy. 21%  21%  [ 15 ]
Lukewarm. You are familiar with Ponder so feel things could go either way. 11%  11%  [ 8 ]
Completely neutral and without judgment. Are able to emotionally detach yourself from the most important position on our team. 11%  11%  [ 8 ]
Lukewarm. The more you find out makes you less and less excited about his play and durability. 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Inconsequential. Injuries, circumstance, free agency, or the play of Webb will keep Ponder's playing time minimal so he'll never become our "guy" anyway. 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Disappointed. Wished we picked somebody else and need time to get over it. 15%  15%  [ 11 ]
Upset. Feel things won't work out with Ponder and it'll take several seasons before we finally move on to someone else. 14%  14%  [ 10 ]
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Siefert reported that the Vikes were trying to trade up with the Cowboys, but Dallas wanted our second rounder....no deal. Looks like the Vikes wanted Gabbert and when Jville snagged him Ponder became the guy.

Childress' stamp on this team is going to take some time washing off.


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I am optimistic. Even though I really thought we would pick Prince at #12. Our secondary is in dire need of a face-lift.

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Where's "wait and see"? Or "I like the pick, but not at 12"?

I think we could have traded down to later in the first and still gotten him, as well as another pick or two.


In theory, I agree but trading down requires a willing trade partner. When the Vikes were on the clock, ESPN reported that they were trying to trade down. They clearly didn't manage to make a trade so perhaps trading down really wasn't an option.


Yep, takes two to tango. Ponder was not likely to be there for us at 43. It sounds like he was the guy the Vikes wanted. So, why take the chance? If no trade down 5-10 picks was available, just take him.


I don't believe they tried to trade down 5-10 picks though, I think the most they were trying to get would be 3 spots because they were so worried about washington taking ponder. Of course they didn't find a partner! Oh well though.


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Did you see him play many games?? I have actually never watched him play. I like the pick, as we desperately need a QB and like what Ive read and watched about him. Seems to have "IT". Which, outside of Favre, the Vikings QBs have lacked the "it" factor for a long, long time. His toughness and attitude dont seem too far from Locker, Ponder just doesnt seem as durable, which, honestly, could be a huge issue behind this OL!



If you don't mind me jumping in here, Purple Guy, I've seen Ponder play entire games several times and he kicked butt in every single one of them, including dismantling my Florida Gators last year. In my view, Ponder was a heck of a *college* quarterback. I don't know how he'll do as a pro, though I think he'll develop into an exceptional player. I base that not only on his physical skills, which I think are underrated, but because he's a hard worker, extremely intelligent, and a team leader. The trouble is that NO college player is a guaranteed stud or bust. Some players adapt to world of pro ball and some don't, regardless what spot they were drafted at.


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The injury prone tag is overplayed, Sam Bradford has a similar injury and he looks fine to me. Apparently the Vikings smokescreened the league pretty well, I think most thought Dalton was our guy and Washington would have taken Ponder with their pick. So in the end we wound up reaching for a high 60% passer with good leadership and work ethic. Could be worse.

I'm still pissed we passed on Fairley (and that he's with the Lions) because I think he could be the next Warren Sapp but no sense crying over spilled milk.


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Joe Flacco was projected a mid second rounder coming from a school school. Yet the Ravens picked him 15th overall, I am sure that was considered a reach. When you look at how he turned out, it was a great pick. I am not saying Ponder will be the next Joe Flacco but my point is if you believe a guy can be your franchise QB, pick him at your spot


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The injury prone tag is overplayed, Sam Bradford has a similar injury and he looks fine to me. Apparently the Vikings smokescreened the league pretty well, I think most thought Dalton was our guy and Washington would have taken Ponder with their pick. So in the end we wound up reaching for a high 60% passer with good leadership and work ethic. Could be worse.

I'm still pissed we passed on Fairley (and that he's with the Lions) because I think he could be the next Warren Sapp but no sense crying over spilled milk.



Look at it this way: maybe he'll be the next Jimmy Kennedy!*

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* Of course, now that Kennedy is a Viking, I hope being "the next Jimmy Kennedy" ends up meaning a player is a bust for the team that drafted him but then goes on to excel for the Vikings. ;)


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I'm still pissed we passed on Fairley (and that he's with the Lions) because I think he could be the next Warren Sapp but no sense crying over spilled milk.



Don't say that. Sapp was drafted #12, we passed on him at #11 for Derrick Alexander (not the good one) from FSU, and look how good that turned out (we lost him in the supplemental draft to Cleveland).

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With Pat Williams likely retiring and KWill suspended for the first 4 games, I thought Fairley was a no-brainer. The guy is a beast and I would have much rather had seen us pick him and take the chance that Ponder, Dalton or Mallett would still be there with our 2nd.

After researching Ponder thru the night, I'm looking forward to see if Fraizer and Spielman win us a SuperBowl with their choice, or lose their jobs in a year or two.

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With Pat Williams likely retiring and KWill suspended for the first 4 games, I thought Fairley was a no-brainer. The guy is a beast and I would have much rather had seen us pick him and take the chance that Ponder, Dalton or Mallett would still be there with our 2nd.

After researching Ponder thru the night, I'm looking forward to see if Fraizer and Spielman win us a SuperBowl with their choice, or lose their jobs in a year or two.


You are right, this pick will make or break Frazier's first head coaching gig. If Ponder does good, Frazier looks good. Ponder is a bust, Frazier getting fired will be a must. I'm trying to stay positive though, the pick might have been a reach but definitely has potential to be a great pick.


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You are right, this pick will make or break Frazier's first head coaching gig. If Ponder does good, Frazier looks good. Ponder is a bust, Frazier getting fired will be a must. I'm trying to stay positive though, the pick might have been a reach but definitely has potential to be a great pick.


Spielman's job is most likely tied to Ponder's success or failure as well.


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The more I consider the Vikings picking up Ponder at #12, the more upset I become. Yes, maybe Ponder ends up being the guy. However, the argument that he has as good a chance as any other QB in the draft just doesn't wash with me. It makes little sense to take a shot at a "crap shoot" position like QB, when there were two or three amazing players who would have made an immediate and positive impact at other positions of need for the Vikings. No one is a sure thing, but I think Nick Fairley and Prince Amukamara are about as close as it comes, and they were BOTH still available. I was almost drooling considering the possibilities of a DL bolstered by a young run-stopping DT like Fairley, or a secondary with a REAL shut down CB like Amukamara. The Giants got a steal of Randy Moss proportions (or better) by snagging Amukamara all the way down at #19. Ponder just makes me shrug and say, "Ok. Hope it works out." The idea that Kaepernick, Mallet and Dalton would all be gone by pick 43 seems like a bit of a stretch and I think all three have equal or better upsides than Ponder.

There were numerous comparisons to the QB class of 1999, but why would anyone want to relive that? Five Qbs taken in the first 12 picks and... zero Super Bowl champions. Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper and Cade McNown: one very good QB, a solid one, two washouts and a complete bust. QB Fever hit hard during this year's first round and I just don't see this group being any more successful than the '99 crew. I think Locker may be the real deal, but every other QB taken so far benefited from pre-Draft surges. Not a good sign. I think Kaepernick and possibly Mallett are going to be good value for where they are picked.

So, with no 3rd Rounder, this 2nd round pick takes on some serious importance for the Vikings.

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The more I consider the Vikings picking up Ponder at #12, the more upset I become. Yes, maybe Ponder ends up being the guy. However, the argument that he has as good a chance as any other QB in the draft just doesn't wash with me. It makes little sense to take a shot at a "crap shoot" position like QB, when there were two or three amazing players who would have made an immediate and positive impact at other positions of need for the Vikings. No one is a sure thing, but I think Nick Fairley and Prince Amukamara are about as close as it comes, and they were BOTH still available. I was almost drooling considering the possibilities of a DL bolstered by a young run-stopping DT like Fairley, or a secondary with a REAL shut down CB like Amukamara. The Giants got a steal of Randy Moss proportions (or better) by snagging Amukamara all the way down at #19. Ponder just makes me shrug and say, "Ok. Hope it works out." The idea that Kaepernick, Mallet and Dalton would all be gone by pick 43 seems like a bit of a stretch and I think all three have equal or better upsides than Ponder.

There were numerous comparisons to the QB class of 1999, but why would anyone want to relive that? Five Qbs taken in the first 12 picks and... zero Super Bowl champions. Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper and Cade McNown: one very good QB, a solid one, two washouts and a complete bust. QB Fever hit hard during this year's first round and I just don't see this group being any more successful than the '99 crew. I think Locker may be the real deal, but every other QB taken so far benefited from pre-Draft surges. Not a good sign. I think Kaepernick and possibly Mallett are going to be good value for where they are picked.

So, with no 3rd Rounder, this 2nd round pick takes on some serious importance for the Vikings.


that is a very rational post and one that actually gives perspective to the other side. ponder was a viking for about 30 seconds before this board was flooded with how terrible he is, how bad the vikings are going to be, and how spielman needs to be fired! it is hard to take posts like that seriously. you on the other hand didn't like the pick, and clearly explained why with examples and didn't get all extreme with the situation. thanks.

that said, sometimes the best pick in the draft isn't the one that is the most exciting. i too would have loved prince or fairly and if we went that route i would have been fine. and i'll admit that ponder didn't haveme jumping out of my chair in excitement either. but there weren't many packer fans that were dancing in the streets aftr picking up rodgers either. he was a good pick...nothing more. i think ponder has that ability too.

we obviously still have needs to address, which is why i'm excited for the rest of the draft. but i will say that the guys that are so unhappy with tis pick are the guys that know nothing about ponder! the kid is real good, and has a chance to be every bit of the player that the ones the "experts" and mock drafts said were top 10 picks.

good post though.

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Did you see him play many games?? I have actually never watched him play. I like the pick, as we desperately need a QB and like what Ive read and watched about him. Seems to have "IT". Which, outside of Favre, the Vikings QBs have lacked the "it" factor for a long, long time. His toughness and attitude dont seem too far from Locker, Ponder just doesnt seem as durable, which, honestly, could be a huge issue behind this OL!



If you don't mind me jumping in here, Purple Guy, I've seen Ponder play entire games several times and he kicked butt in every single one of them, including dismantling my Florida Gators last year. In my view, Ponder was a heck of a *college* quarterback. I don't know how he'll do as a pro, though I think he'll develop into an exceptional player. I base that not only on his physical skills, which I think are underrated, but because he's a hard worker, extremely intelligent, and a team leader. The trouble is that NO college player is a guaranteed stud or bust. Some players adapt to world of pro ball and some don't, regardless what spot they were drafted at.


Thanks. I wasnt knocking him, I was curious. Certainly no rookie is a lock to be a stud, and I agree, Id rather the Vikings risk reaching on a player who is smart, works hard, and is aleader (Ponder), than an athletically gifted QB who seems to love attention and has some questions about his character, (Cam/Mallett).

Honestly, if he would have been gone by our 43rd pick, its not an enormous reach IMO, especially given he plays QB. Im a glass half empty guy most of the time, but I dont get all the angst about picking a QB at 12, who, by almost all accounts would have been picked by our next pick (and maybe even still in the 1st round), when our QB situation is in such bad shape. Already labeled a bust and injury prone?? Might be jumping the gun a bit. I certainly realize he could be a bust, but so could every other player we passed up, who supposedly had "value" at 12. For me, I would have liked Fairley, but not Prince. Prince is way over rated IMO. Ponder is the Vikings QB, and Ill give him the benefit of the doubt until he earns otherwise.


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No one is a sure thing, but I think Nick Fairley and Prince Amukamara are about as close as it comes, and they were BOTH still available


If they were such sure things, why were both still on the board at #12? Why did Amukamara drop to #19?

I don't think any of us can know what the guys who evaluate players for a living know about these guys. Fairly had one great season in college. One. Even then, he showed only flashes. IMHO, he might resemble Sapp when he's trying, but there were plenty of times when it didn't seem like he was trying too hard. That might change with the Lions, or it might not. Fairly's pattern strikes me as the classic NFL player who is up for free agency and in his final year with a team he dominates, then gets the big contract and declines. With Fairly I think that is more likely to happen then we're going to see him consistently dominate. And quite honestly, I'd rather not have another Ray Edwards on the defensive line.

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I think Locker may be the real deal, but every other QB taken so far benefited from pre-Draft surges


From what I've seen Jake Locker is the white, QB version of Percy Harvin, except in Locker's case he's a slower runner and thrower instead of a runner and catcher. He's got a long way's to go to unlearn his propensity to use his legs to make plays, as well as learn to set up properly (and consistently) to deliver the ball where he wants it to go. That was a significant problem for him every year he was in college, and it's likely to continue in the pros.


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No one is a sure thing, but I think Nick Fairley and Prince Amukamara are about as close as it comes, and they were BOTH still available


If they were such sure things, why were both still on the board at #12? Why did Amukamara drop to #19?

I don't think any of us can know what the guys who evaluate players for a living know about these guys. Fairly had one great season in college. One. Even then, he showed only flashes. IMHO, he might resemble Sapp when he's trying, but there were plenty of times when it didn't seem like he was trying too hard. That might change with the Lions, or it might not. Fairly's pattern strikes me as the classic NFL player who is up for free agency and in his final year with a team he dominates, then gets the big contract and declines. With Fairly I think that is more likely to happen then we're going to see him consistently dominate. And quite honestly, I'd rather not have another Ray Edwards on the defensive line.

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I think Locker may be the real deal, but every other QB taken so far benefited from pre-Draft surges


From what I've seen Jake Locker is the white, QB version of Percy Harvin, except in Locker's case he's a slower runner and thrower instead of a runner and catcher. He's got a long way's to go to unlearn his propensity to use his legs to make plays, as well as learn to set up properly (and consistently) to deliver the ball where he wants it to go. That was a significant problem for him every year he was in college, and it's likely to continue in the pros.


I, of course, do not have a magic ball (wish I did!) or the ability to truly analyze players like the professionals (wish I could!). This is all opinion, as you know.

I am sure Fairley dropped a bit thanks to some of the issues you mentioned. However, pairing him with a guy liek Kevin Williams (or like Suh) can only help him be a productive player. All the pieces are in place for the kid to succeed and would have been in place with the Vikes as well. If it's a motivation issue then that comes down to the psychology of coaching and, personally, for some reason I have faith in Frazier in that department.

Amukamara dropped primarily because of his speed. Some fear he doesn't have the speed to keep up with the burners in the league. But, he has the smarts to make sure he is in the right position to make a play and that makes up in a big way for any shortcomings in the speed department.

As for Locker, he was the ONLY thing going for Washington and he was required to do everything and anything to help the team. He had terrible protection and that's why he had to rely on his legs too often. I don't think it will be hard for him to scale that back. People rag on his accuracy, but he was making most of his throws on the run. He has solid mechanics and fundamentals and the only issue is plugging him into a system that works to his strengths. I think he really has an opportunity to be a great QB.

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The more I consider the Vikings picking up Ponder at #12, the more upset I become. Yes, maybe Ponder ends up being the guy. However, the argument that he has as good a chance as any other QB in the draft just doesn't wash with me. It makes little sense to take a shot at a "crap shoot" position like QB, when there were two or three amazing players who would have made an immediate and positive impact at other positions of need for the Vikings.


I understand your concerns but couldn't the same thing be said every year? It's always going to be a crap shoot, at QB and every other position. Like you said, no one is a sure thing but as Kevin Siefert is fond of pointing out, you can't hit a home run at QB if you never take a swing. If that swing is a miss they'll just have to swing again.

I guess what I'm saying is: if it didn't make sense to take a QB this year, when would it ever make sense?

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Anyone watching ESPN talk about Ponder can probably see it almost mirrors the reactions on this board. Dilfer hates the pick, had him rated ninth best QB, compares to Elvis Grbac, etc. Jaws likes the pick, calm in the pocket, smooth delivery, intelligent. Young doesn't hate the pick but questions the pick at #12. He even spoke with Musgrave pre-draft but didn't even think to ask him about Ponder.

So even the "experts" are on very different pages with this pick.


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The more I consider the Vikings picking up Ponder at #12, the more upset I become. Yes, maybe Ponder ends up being the guy. However, the argument that he has as good a chance as any other QB in the draft just doesn't wash with me. It makes little sense to take a shot at a "crap shoot" position like QB, when there were two or three amazing players who would have made an immediate and positive impact at other positions of need for the Vikings.


I understand your concerns but couldn't the same thing be said every year? It's always going to be a crap shoot, at QB and every other position. Like you said, no one is a sure thing but as Kevin Siefert is fond of pointing out, you can't hit a home run at QB if you never take a swing. If that swing is a miss they'll just have to swing again.

I guess what I'm saying is: if it didn't make sense to take a QB this year, when would it ever make sense?

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Can't speak for BGM but for me it's in a year when there isn't a lock out, when we can have free agents, and in a year when we have more fire power (missing 3rd rounder!) if we need to move around more. For example if we had that 3rd rounder we probably have Gabbert at 10, instead of ponder at 12 and I'd feel BETTER about that. Who knows who will be the better QB, but i'd feel BETTER about it.


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So ... now that even Andy Dalton went before out pick in the 2nd does Ponder make a little more sense?

I feel like it does. Ponder probably wouldn't have make it past the Redskins.

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Im excited. Was it a reach??? Supposedly. Who cares. We need a QB. I have no idea if he'll work out, but at least its a viable option at QB for once. Those who "know" he is going to be a bust should really be working as a scout for an NFL team since they are such great and accurate talent evaluaters.



wow, Purple Guy and I agree. Instead of #### about the Pick now why not wait for a few games. Who else where we gonna Take at QB? Mallett maybe. I knew we were going QB no matter what because this team needed to do this 2-3 ago. Deal with it


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Im excited. Was it a reach??? Supposedly. Who cares. We need a QB. I have no idea if he'll work out, but at least its a viable option at QB for once. Those who "know" he is going to be a bust should really be working as a scout for an NFL team since they are such great and accurate talent evaluaters.



wow, Purple Guy and I agree. Instead of #### about the Pick now why not wait for a few games. Who else where we gonna Take at QB? Mallett maybe. I knew we were going QB no matter what because this team needed to do this 2-3 ago. Deal with it




Deal with it???? I said I liked the pick?


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Im excited. Was it a reach??? Supposedly. Who cares. We need a QB. I have no idea if he'll work out, but at least its a viable option at QB for once. Those who "know" he is going to be a bust should really be working as a scout for an NFL team since they are such great and accurate talent evaluaters.



wow, Purple Guy and I agree. Instead of #### about the Pick now why not wait for a few games. Who else where we gonna Take at QB? Mallett maybe. I knew we were going QB no matter what because this team needed to do this 2-3 ago. Deal with it




Deal with it???? I said I liked the pick?


lmao ... you guys can't even agree properly

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So ... now that even Andy Dalton went before out pick in the 2nd does Ponder make a little more sense?

I feel like it does. Ponder probably wouldn't have make it past the Redskins.


No, it doesn't for me. I saw very little difference between Mallett, Ponder, and Dalton, and I actually believe Kaepernick may end up being a better QB than any of the other QBs in the draft aside from Locker, who I believe is much better than many experts are willing to admit. Had the Vikings gone BPA in Round 1, at least one of those four would have been available in Round 2. Of course, I am not in the Vikings war room, but my guess is they had their eyes on Gabbert, Locker or Ponder, and the other guys, for one reason or another, were out of the running. Everything out of Winter Park indicates they were up on Ponder, but I just hope it was for the right reasons.

Bottom line, I am not sold on Ponder. I didn't like him being picked so high, there was better talent on the board at other need positions, I have serious concerns about his durability, I do like the fact he has a soft touch, but his lack of range troubles me. And with his speed and height, is Sidney Rice going to be relegated to catching mid-range stuff? We know Harvin is a good target for mid-range throws and has a knack of getting YAC. Adding Rudolph indicates to me that they are going to try and build an offensive scheme around the kids abilities, which bodes well.

I don't know, it just... I have a nagging feeling this was the wrong guy at the wrong time. I hope I am wrong (and if history is any indication I probably am!) Maybe it is just the amount of talent the Vikings passed over to draft him. To be honest, in my mind, I think he will HAVE to become the QB of the future for the Vikes for this move to sit well with me.

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The more I consider the Vikings picking up Ponder at #12, the more upset I become. Yes, maybe Ponder ends up being the guy. However, the argument that he has as good a chance as any other QB in the draft just doesn't wash with me. It makes little sense to take a shot at a "crap shoot" position like QB, when there were two or three amazing players who would have made an immediate and positive impact at other positions of need for the Vikings.


I understand your concerns but couldn't the same thing be said every year? It's always going to be a crap shoot, at QB and every other position. Like you said, no one is a sure thing but as Kevin Siefert is fond of pointing out, you can't hit a home run at QB if you never take a swing. If that swing is a miss they'll just have to swing again.

I guess what I'm saying is: if it didn't make sense to take a QB this year, when would it ever make sense?

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No. It can't be said every year! The Falcons addressed their need...but swinging at a slowball going right down the middle of the plate. The Lions, Rams, Ravens, Broncos...did the same. We just flailed away at a sinker in the dirt....when we should have left the bat on our shoulder.

And we KEEP doing it. People want us to get our QB of the future, address the position, you don't do that by FORCING a second tier talent into that position! We've waited until it was a full count...and bunted, repeatedly. Favre, Moon, Johnson, on and on. Bunts. Now we're in a terrible position, FLAIL! Strike three, your out.

Time to wait for our next at bat....and this time do it right. When would it make sense? When we have the ability to trade up to get a top flight quarterback. When we are in a position to draft a top flight quarterback. When a top flight quarterback drops to us. NOT when their are multiple players higher on our board, NOT when there is a run on quarterbacks that leave us forced to reach.

Hopefully the next front office and coach decide to do it right, lucky for us there will be a rookie cap as well in four years when Frazier and Spielman get there walking papers, Ponder is just hitting free agency off of his rookie deal and his below average performance at quarterback...and we're opening up a new stadium!


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The more I consider the Vikings picking up Ponder at #12, the more upset I become. Yes, maybe Ponder ends up being the guy. However, the argument that he has as good a chance as any other QB in the draft just doesn't wash with me. It makes little sense to take a shot at a "crap shoot" position like QB, when there were two or three amazing players who would have made an immediate and positive impact at other positions of need for the Vikings.


I understand your concerns but couldn't the same thing be said every year? It's always going to be a crap shoot, at QB and every other position. Like you said, no one is a sure thing but as Kevin Siefert is fond of pointing out, you can't hit a home run at QB if you never take a swing. If that swing is a miss they'll just have to swing again.

I guess what I'm saying is: if it didn't make sense to take a QB this year, when would it ever make sense?

Jim


It would have made sense in the second round, considering the talent pool in this year's draft. Had there been three QBs who were far and away the pick of the litter and then a bunch of dregs aside from that, then sure, you have to pull the trigger. But, I did not feel that way about this group. For me, Locker was the best prospect, then close behind him the group of Gabbert, Kaepernick, Mallett, Dalton, and Ponder. One of those last five was sure to make it to pick 43, IMO. Any of those guys at 43 would have made sense to me. Ponder at 12 does not.

Obviously, my views on these guys do not line up with the Vikings' assessments, so I should have some faith in their choice. It just pained me to see some really top notch talent fall to other teams because the Vikings had a laser focus on QB.

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Demi wrote:
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Hopefully the next front office and coach decide to do it right, lucky for us there will be a rookie cap as well in four years when Frazier and Spielman get there walking papers, Ponder is just hitting free agency off of his rookie deal and his below average performance at quarterback...and we're opening up a new stadium!


There is so much pessimism AND optimism in that sentence that I think you just blew my mind!

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Thats quite an accurate and in depth crystal ball you have there Demi. You buy a Power Ball ticket for Saturday???? If youre able to know how Ponder is going to be at QB before stepping on the field, know the Vikings will be firing the current staff in 4 years, and a stadium will be ready to be open, would you mind giving me the numbers for tomorrow night so I can go see a few #### games Ponder will play this season?


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Thats quite an accurate and in depth crystal ball you have there Demi. You buy a Power Ball ticket for Saturday???? If youre able to know how Ponder is going to be at QB before stepping on the field, know the Vikings will be firing the current staff in 4 years, and a stadium will be ready to be open, would you mind giving me the numbers for tomorrow night so I can go see a few #### games Ponder will play this season?


You don't need to have a crystal ball to see something this obvious...the Packers Bears and Lions have all passed the Vikings. The NFC has too many good teams. The Vikings are getting old. Combined with bringing in an average quarterback with a terribly low ceiling, we're not even going to get a wild card spot. Which means after four years Zygi is going to make a change.


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I'm just sick to my stomach... when I think of what high hopes I had yesterday morning, I feel like a fool for ever believing that this insane clown posse was going to find away not to screw this up. We went into this draft needing to replace Brett Favre, and somehow managed to find a way to replace Tarvaris Jackson instead.

Anyone read what Dilfer had to say about the kid today? He calls him the second coming of Elvis Grbac, and that was one of the most complimentary things he could come up with. I can't believe we basically took the #12 pick out into the parking lot and set fire to it. We went through all the misery of last season, and all we get in return is Christian Ponder???!?? Someone wake me up and tell me I was just having a nightmare.

I think it was Rich Gannon on the radio this morning who said it perfectly - "you see all these teams who were drafting quarterbacks? The reason they're drafting quarterbacks is because they need quarterbacks, and the reason they need quarterbacks is because they suck at drafting quarterbacks." You can't put it an better than that, IMO.


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