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dead_poet
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 "Best in the Biz" series debates who is the best RB
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MikeCheck
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 Re: "Best in the Biz" series debates who is the best RB
I think AP is the better RB, while CJ had the better season.
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Now its our time
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MikeCheck wrote: I think AP is the better RB, while CJ had the better season. it really depends. Although I think after this season,we'll see who is the best RB is.
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Viva la Vikings
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With the fumbles, CJ obviously has the edge. AP fixes that, he's back to number 1.
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marty264
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I like MJD and Steven Jackson better. If he had got stopped at 1999 yards, people wouldn't think nearly as much of Johnson.
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beardedterror
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I think CJ's a great back, but Adrian is better. The fumbling is a problem, but it's fixable. If adrian had a good offensive line, he would have been much more successful.
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purple guy
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Im not sure what AD can do better than CJ, if anything. CJ is faster, better catching the ball out of the back field, fumbles less, and doesnt have to come off the field on 3rd down. Everyone is hung up on ADs first two seasons. IMO, AD is not getting better, CJ is. This year will tell alot as which will be/is the best back. If my team could have one or the other, Id probably pick AD simply because the difference isnt too great, and I think CJ is a thug, at least he sounds like one in interviews. CJ would probably win more games for the team, but AD, IMO, is less likey to end up at one of Vicks bday parties.
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marty264
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purple guy wrote: Im not sure what AD can do better than CJ, if anything. CJ is faster, better catching the ball out of the back field, fumbles less, and doesnt have to come off the field on 3rd down. CJ is faster, Peterson is stronger. Peterson doesn't have to come out of the back field on 3rd down, and I think having Chester Taylor to put in there probably hindered his development. I like the situation with Gerhart a lot better, he's just a second back, not a "third down" back. And I doubt Chris Johnson would have put up close to 1400 yards behind the league's worst run blocking unit.
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HardcoreVikesFan
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Honestly, the Titans line is probably the best in NFL now that New York has a rookie starter at LG. Plus, Johnson is all Tennessee has on offense. You cannot honest sit here and tell me Vince Young and Nate Washington strike fear in NFL defenses. Johnson touched the ball 408 times on offense, and if he keeps getting that many carries/receptions he will eventually break down.
All that being said, I still have to give the edge to Peterson. Peterson is still fast, still powerful, and still elusive. Johnson is nowhere close to Peterson on terms of strength. Fix the fumbles, and Peterson is no doubt the best back in the NFL.
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mansquatch
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My favorite thing about AP is what he does inside the 20yard line. Not many backs can be that prolific in the Red Zone and still be great in the middle of the field. Nothing against CJ, but I'll count myslef in the AP
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MikeCheck
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purple guy wrote: Im not sure what AD can do better than CJ, if anything. CJ is faster, better catching the ball out of the back field, fumbles less, and doesnt have to come off the field on 3rd down. Everyone is hung up on ADs first two seasons. IMO, AD is not getting better, CJ is. This year will tell alot as which will be/is the best back. If my team could have one or the other, Id probably pick AD simply because the difference isnt too great, and I think CJ is a thug, at least he sounds like one in interviews. CJ would probably win more games for the team, but AD, IMO, is less likey to end up at one of Vicks bday parties. CJ is a little faster, and once you get into that zone of speed does it really matter? Both AP and CJ will burn almost anyone on the field. AP is stronger than CJ, and I'd say they are both equally elusive. Their receiving stats are almost identical. There are two things that if I had to say CJ is better at. 1: Ball Security. 2: Patience, the guy never just starts out full speed. A lot of the time he'd stay back and wait, then hit it full stride.
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S197
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purple guy wrote: Im not sure what AD can do better than CJ, if anything. CJ is faster, better catching the ball out of the back field, fumbles less, and doesnt have to come off the field on 3rd down. Everyone is hung up on ADs first two seasons. And people aren't hung up on CJ's two seasons? Lets see what he does this year, it will be better to evaluate them side by side.
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mondry
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CJ = run 10 yards before the first defender even tries to tackle you! wow that must be real hard!
I mean it's pretty much been proven now that multiple players on our O-line were dealing with significant injuries. It's also been proven that due to that, both our backs, not just AD, were more often hit behind the line of scrimmage then just about any other runners out there.
Then the guy still rushed for what, almost 1400 yards and 18 touch downs? I just don't think there is another back in the league who could have done that given the circumstances, not even CJ.
Heres hoping for a healthy AD and O-line next season!
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hibbingviking
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put CJ on the vikings and i doubt he leads the league in rushing. he benfits from a very good run blocking line like terrell davis and emitt smith did. CJ is faster.......AP is harder to bring down .
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marty264
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MikeCheck wrote: There are two things that if I had to say CJ is better at. 1: Ball Security. 2: Patience, the guy never just starts out full speed. A lot of the time he'd stay back and wait, then hit it full stride. Definitely ball security, and probably patience as well, but Peterson can't exactly sit back and wait for holes that aren't going to develop. He was already hit behind the line of scrimmage more than any other back.
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MikeCheck
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mondry wrote: CJ = run 10 yards before the first defender even tries to tackle you! wow that must be real hard!
I mean it's pretty much been proven now that multiple players on our O-line were dealing with significant injuries. It's also been proven that due to that, both our backs, not just AD, were more often hit behind the line of scrimmage then just about any other runners out there.
Then the guy still rushed for what, almost 1400 yards and 18 touch downs? I just don't think there is another back in the league who could have done that given the circumstances, not even CJ.
Heres hoping for a healthy AD and O-line next season! Wasn't AP dealing with injuries after the Ravens game? marty264 wrote: MikeCheck wrote: There are two things that if I had to say CJ is better at. 1: Ball Security. 2: Patience, the guy never just starts out full speed. A lot of the time he'd stay back and wait, then hit it full stride. Definitely ball security, and probably patience as well, but Peterson can't exactly sit back and wait for holes that aren't going to develop. He was already hit behind the line of scrimmage more than any other back. There was plenty of times AP would just run full speed and hit the O-Line and just stop. But then there was also time's where he would bounce it out (The Lions game comes to mind where he got 2 or 3 big plays by bouncing it outside). CJ's whole team blocks for him, how many times is he able to just run behind his WR's as they block? The only time I ever saw a WR on the Vikings block downfield was when Rice was able to.
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TrenchGoon
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It concerns me that I have seen so little improvement out of peterson. He has relied too much on his out of this world physical talent IMO. He needs to get better at the basics or he will have a very short career. The pounding of the position and father time will catch up with him soon, and at that point, his physical tools won't be enough to get by on.
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purple guy
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S197 wrote: purple guy wrote: Im not sure what AD can do better than CJ, if anything. CJ is faster, better catching the ball out of the back field, fumbles less, and doesnt have to come off the field on 3rd down. Everyone is hung up on ADs first two seasons. And people aren't hung up on CJ's two seasons? Lets see what he does this year, it will be better to evaluate them side by side. Which is exactly what I said, this year will tell a lot. And the thing with CJ, is actually seems to be improving, Im not sure AD is any better than when he entered the league, in fact his ball security has definately gotten worse.
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hibbingviking
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purple guy wrote: S197 wrote: purple guy wrote: Im not sure what AD can do better than CJ, if anything. CJ is faster, better catching the ball out of the back field, fumbles less, and doesnt have to come off the field on 3rd down. Everyone is hung up on ADs first two seasons. And people aren't hung up on CJ's two seasons? Lets see what he does this year, it will be better to evaluate them side by side. Which is exactly what I said, this year will tell a lot. And the thing with CJ, is actually seems to be improving, Im not sure AD is any better than when he entered the league, in fact his ball security has definately gotten worse. AP is better at finding the endzone and at pass catching. but he relies to much on his power like herchell walker did. CJ is more like marshall faulk while AP is more like bo jackson. both are phenomenol runners. AP needs a better line that can open up holes.
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beardedterror
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marty264 wrote: Definitely ball security, and probably patience as well, but Peterson can't exactly sit back and wait for holes that aren't going to develop. He was already hit behind the line of scrimmage more than any other back. Couldn't agree more. Our offensive line was so terrible last year, I'm surprised he got as many yards as he did.
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hibbingviking
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vikings really need a two headed monster. they would be more effective running the ball instead of giving the ball to AP the majority of the time. like the dolphins, cowboys, saints, ravens. it would also save wear and tear on AP.  vikings didnt use chester as much as they should have IMO.
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hibbingviking wrote: vikings really need a two headed monster. they would be more effective running the ball instead of giving the ball to AP the majority of the time. like the dolphins, cowboys, saints, ravens. it would also save wear and tear on AP.  vikings didnt use chester as much as they should have IMO. I said that from Peterson's first day. Why we didn't see AD and Chester in the backfield at the same time MANY MANY times is just beyond me. Seems to me that's very hard to scheme for and defend against . Hard to defend up the middle/off tackle, around the end with both guys Plus Tayor catching passess out of the backfield along with our WRs and TE. Way too many weapons for most defense to scheme for
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Quote: I said that from Peterson's first day. Why we didn't see AD and Chester in the backfield at the same time MANY MANY times is just beyond me. Seems to me that's very hard to scheme for and defend against . Hard to defend up the middle/off tackle, around the end with both guys Plus Tayor catching passess out of the backfield along with our WRs and TE. Way too many weapons for most defense to scheme for Yeah i've been wondering that too. We could of been more dangerous I guess. But look who is coaching this team. Also I think Chris Johnson is the best today
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beardedterror
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Laserman wrote: hibbingviking wrote: vikings really need a two headed monster. they would be more effective running the ball instead of giving the ball to AP the majority of the time. like the dolphins, cowboys, saints, ravens. it would also save wear and tear on AP.  vikings didnt use chester as much as they should have IMO. I said that from Peterson's first day. Why we didn't see AD and Chester in the backfield at the same time MANY MANY times is just beyond me. Seems to me that's very hard to scheme for and defend against . Hard to defend up the middle/off tackle, around the end with both guys Plus Tayor catching passess out of the backfield along with our WRs and TE. Way too many weapons for most defense to scheme for Percy could pose as much (if not more) of a threat in the backfield as chester. I would love to see Adrian and Percy in the backfield at the same time. Defenses wouldn't have any idea how to stop something like that. Then we could have Sidney, Shiancoe, and Berrian in a trips formation on the weak side. I'm having way too much fun with this. If I were the OC for us, I'd be licking my chops. We've got A TON of talent to work with.
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purple guy wrote: Which is exactly what I said, this year will tell a lot. And the thing with CJ, is actually seems to be improving, Im not sure AD is any better than when he entered the league, in fact his ball security has definately gotten worse. That's questionable saying that his ball security has gotten worse over his career. When AP came into the league, he didnt have a reputation for fumbling. Now that he has one, teams are ripping at the ball much more than during his rookie season.
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hibbingviking
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Laserman wrote: hibbingviking wrote: vikings really need a two headed monster. they would be more effective running the ball instead of giving the ball to AP the majority of the time. like the dolphins, cowboys, saints, ravens. it would also save wear and tear on AP.  vikings didnt use chester as much as they should have IMO. I said that from Peterson's first day. Why we didn't see AD and Chester in the backfield at the same time MANY MANY times is just beyond me. Seems to me that's very hard to scheme for and defend against . Hard to defend up the middle/off tackle, around the end with both guys Plus Tayor catching passess out of the backfield along with our WRs and TE. Way too many weapons for most defense to scheme for vikings should sign westbrook. he would come cheap and wouldnt be a risk for just a one year contract. he is still a homerun threat. put westbrook and AP on the field at the same time and defenses wouldnt know if it was pass or run. both rb's are good receivers especially westbrook. i know we have moats and gerhart. westbrook could see limited action but confuse defenses at times.  westbrook has more to offer than tomlinson nowadays .
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First, It doesn't matter how good of a RB,you have you need a good O-line. So AP may be have more talent that CJ,but CJ has a better offensive line,which enables him to rush for more yards than AP.
So CJ wins right now because of his better O-line. But if AP and CJ switched teams. AP would put up even BETTER numbers than CJ, and CJ would still be a good back.
2nd,people say CJ is better because he fumbles less. So? does the name Walter Payton ring a bell? He fumbled as much as AP in his early career.
But,this season will show who the better running back is. I'm not saying it's going to be AP,but I'm not saying it's going to be CJ either
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Now its our time wrote: First, It doesn't matter how good of a RB,you have you need a good O-line. So AP may be have more talent that CJ,but CJ has a better offensive line,which enables him to rush for more yards than AP.
So CJ wins right now because of his better O-line. But if AP and CJ switched teams. AP would put up even BETTER numbers than CJ, and CJ would still be a good back.
2nd,people say CJ is better because he fumbles less. So? does the name Walter Payton ring a bell? He fumbled as much as AP in his early career.
But,this season will show who the better running back is. I'm not saying it's going to be AP,but I'm not saying it's going to be CJ either I don't know. I look at Stephen Jackson who was 2nd in the NFL in rushing yards with a 4.4 yards per avg just like Adrian and the Rams have a very bad Oline. Also of course the best running back of all time Barry Sanders had nobody and look at the numbers he put up with no O-Line. He averaged a 6.1 one year with no one. I think the player (running back) has something to do with it and not just the O-line.
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Iron Man Favre wrote: Now its our time wrote: First, It doesn't matter how good of a RB,you have you need a good O-line. So AP may be have more talent that CJ,but CJ has a better offensive line,which enables him to rush for more yards than AP.
So CJ wins right now because of his better O-line. But if AP and CJ switched teams. AP would put up even BETTER numbers than CJ, and CJ would still be a good back.
2nd,people say CJ is better because he fumbles less. So? does the name Walter Payton ring a bell? He fumbled as much as AP in his early career.
But,this season will show who the better running back is. I'm not saying it's going to be AP,but I'm not saying it's going to be CJ either I don't know. I look at Stephen Jackson who was 2nd in the NFL in rushing yards with a 4.4 yards per avg just like Adrian and the Rams have a very bad Oline. Also of course the best running back of all time Barry Sanders had nobody and look at the numbers he put up with no O-Line. He averaged a 6.1 one year with no one. I think the player (running back) has something to do with it and not just the O-line. That's why I think Barry is the greatest RB of all time
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Now its our time wrote: That's why I think Barry is the greatest RB of all time What about Emmitt Smith do you think if he was with the Lions he could of put up the same numbers he did in his career? What would of happened if Emmitt had Barry's line and Barry had Emmith's line?
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