the team isn't being held at bay because they already know whats gonna happen. He's only holding you at bay.

He isn't; he's just pissing me off...

Bingo. Check out this read from the LA Times.. This pretty much sums it all up. I personally have no respect left for the guy that was the hero of my youth. At least a few people still have some decency about them, one being the author of this article. I personally dont care who you are or what title you hold in life. Actions still speak louder than words, at least to some people they still do.

Favre's act becoming an annual rite of summer as the drama queen surfaces again
http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/ ... 2257.story

Sums up what?

Look at the guy's byline. Do you know what "columnist" means? Columnist means "opinion writer." This guy is writing his what he THINKS, not what he knows. His opinion is no better than mine or yours, nor is it based in fact. I could argue that most of his opinions are utterly moronic, but I won't waste the electrons.

God, I get tired of this. Just because it shows up in a newspaper or on the internet doesn't make it the truth.

Well thats good because it sounds like you need all you can get. Im glad you told me what a columnist is... because I really had no idea. Im also very shocked it was just the writers opinion.

I happen to share the writer's opinion along with countless amounts of other decent people. Its obvious to some of us that Brett Favre has turned into a total 'Diva' who's selfishness is off the charts. If Big Irv were still alive he'd probably slap him upside the head remind him where he came from and tell him to pull his head out of his #### cause he's acting like a fool.

Its really sad because there was a time Brett Favre was a pretty humble team guy with a good head on his shoulders that just about everybody respected. The little respect thats left in the eyes of people that matter continues to slowly erode away. its sad to see that happen to anybody really. Am I not entitled to my opinion ? Isn't that what this forum is all about ? Opinions and ope,n honest, clean debate ?

I respect Favre. Always have, always will. But I guess I'm a part of the group that does not matter. Thanks 4 letting me know. I was confused if I mattered or not.

favre is a bit of a drama queen, and he obviously enjoys playing this game with the media, and he does look like a bit of a fool with this act, but I don't conclude that he is the most selfish guy in the world because of that. I think its just a little silly but whatever. its a mole hill, not a mountain.

Why is everyone surprised? Last year he didn't commit till after training camp I expect the same thing this year. I believe if he were going to retire he would have done it sooner. Now if his ankle doesn't heal proper that is another issue. Granted he should have had surgery sooner.

I feel the media has been a non-issue this year besides a few pompous #### who like to toot their own horn. Brett Farve playing for one of his greatest rivals is old news. We are not being held hostage by Brett. We are being held hostage by poor decisions at QB by Viking staff.

We could have had Colt McCoy.

90% of America said the same thing about a "40 year old QB" last year, and we came pretty darn close, so I wouldn't write them off quite yet ...

Perfectly stated. The team would do nothing different. Their QB situation is already set. The only people it affects are ticket brokers, the Metrodome box office, and those thinking about going to Dallas for the Super Bowl. And mentally the team doesn't have an issue when he reports.

Hello folks, welcome the latest bitter Packer fan to the forum ... Just accept it, Brett is gone and your team's management is the reason. They wanted someone else period. They have every right to do make that move, but don't piss and whine because Brett still wants to play football, even if its for a rival. BTW, Brett is the same guy he always was, it's you people who have changed.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion. My apologies. Shouldn't have gotten sarcastic about it.

It's just that when you take it to the "look at this article" level, it comes off as an attempt to establish extra credibility for your opinion that simply isn't there. Just because somebody in the media supports your opinion doesn't mean your opinion is right. Now, if the guy had some kind of inside information, that would be one thing. But he doesn't.

So if we're going to talk opinions ... I'm much more interested in YOURS than some schmuck in LA.

To address your opinion, let me give you a few "what if's."

What if Brett Favre ISN'T behind all the drama? What if he just wants to be left alone to heal? What if these stories come out simply because somebody in the media starts them on a slow news day? What if Brad Childress visited Favre just to check up on the condition of his ankle? What if Brett Favre really wants to play, has always known he wants to play, but doesn't know if he CAN play? What if that applied to last year, as well? After all, he's had offseason surgery both years for potentially career-ending injuries.

And what if Brett Favre really hasn't changed from the guy you say he was? What if our perception of him has changed because of the media?

Given the fact that when he's with the team, he's the consummate teammate, isn't it possible that one or more of those "what if's" are true, instead of "I love the attention"?

I'm not saying they ARE true. I'm just asking the question.

The bottom line is that I don't know what's in Brett Favre's heart, nor does the columnist in LA, nor do you. None of us do.

Honestly, the man made us a far better team last year than we ever would have been without him. We'd be miles better this year than without him. So as far as I'm concerned, he can take all the time he needs. Whether he's a diva is pure speculation, and it's irrelevant to me. When he's with this team, he's all in. ESPN and the others can feel free to try and trump up Favre news where there isn't any, then turn around and say he craves attention. Whatever. I simply hope he plays.

Let me know when he makes his decision. That's what I care about.

another spot on post kapp! people act like they know everything going on just because things are reported in the paper. is favre holding press conferences? no. the media seeks him out and asks the questions. how that is being a diva i'll never understand. not to mention the fact thatr as fans we have no idea what childress or the vikings know. for all i know favre could have told childress months ago that he's playing. why does he have an obligation to announce it to the rest of us. why do we feel like these athletes owe us something? i have said all along i think favre is back for sure. the only thing that would keep him out would be his ankle. everyone is quick to point out that he's 41 and we shouldn't expect him to be the same player he once was...yet we don't consider his age and his health when it comes to taking his time with his healing. he's gonna take his time, likely enjoy being with his family, he'll mind his own business but will still be seeked out by the media, and i expect him to throw on the pads just after training camp or maybe even at the tail end of it. just don't see what he's doing wrong, and i don't see how people can be so opinionated...especially when it's likely they don't know everything that is happening or being said!

One thing I do not hear mentioned often is that training camp is mandatory, if he says he can play again he would be required to attend. As we all suspect that is something he does not want or need. Even Childress has said they are better off getting reps to TJ and Sage as Brett dose not need the practice or the extra wear and tear. He will get time in preseason games to get his timing with the receivers back.

On another note I just read that it was his left ankle he had surgery on. Wasn't it his right that was injured in the Saints game? Is he hobbled on both?

Don't remember which ankle it was. I'm pretty sure his surgery was on the same one he injured in the NFCC game, though.

Here's my take on training camp, for what it's worth ...

Brett Favre should not have to attend.

Why?

Not because he's Brett Favre, future Hall-of-Fame QB. Not because he's an alleged diva. Not because he gets special old-man treatment.

Brett Favre should not have to attend training camp because he's already proven he doesn't need to.

He didn't attend last year, and he ended up having the greatest individual season of any quarterback in Vikings' history.

Also, the Vikes were one play from the Super Bowl without him attending. So THEY don't need him to.

That's good enough for me.

(And apparently good enough for his teammates and coaches, too.)

Well said JK.

I can not remember for sure right now either. I may have to subject myself to watching the game again, but I usually have to take about three weeks between viewings just to settle down enough.

O.K. my mistake I just watched the play again and it was his left ankle. Sorry, just chalk that up to very bad memory.

I know this is off topic for this thread, but since I just watched some of this game again I noticed that on the 12 man penalty, Favre singled for a time out and was walking to the sideline before the flag was thrown. Doesn’t that negate the penalty?

I think we had just come out of a time out -- can't have two in a row. Might be wrong.

That 90% were right, weren't they?

Only a fool would completely write the team off, especially after they got so close to the big game last year. All I said was don't count on it...



Should that apply to other well-established veterans on the team too?



They opened last season with a soft schedule and I think that made it much easier for Favre to step in and play effectively without much preseason training or preparation with the team. He won't be starting against Cleveland and Detroit. They face what should be a much tougher start this year so a little more time working with his teammates might benefit Favre (and the Vikings).

On the flip side, he will be a year older, with even more wear and tear on his body, so even if he were to participate in training camp and much of the preseason, the Vikings wouldn't want to work him too hard and wear him down.

Jim

That is something i had not considered, I don't know if you can or not. The other thing I thought of after my post was maybe there was a flag thrown out of camera shot.

Another discrepancy i saw that went for the Vikings was AP's fumble that he beat three saints to recover. They spotted the ball at the point of recovery; I thought you could not advance your own fumble.

Sorry, after this i am done with the off topic stuff.

NO we couldn't have. It was made very clear before the Draft that with OR without Favre, our Vikings FO were not pursuing a QB this season. Next Year's draft is way more reasonable. Joe Webb wasn't drafted as a QB either, it just happened to be what it turned into with him.

Call me crazy, but I am thoroughly convinced that Chili and the FO have had Brett's answer for a couple if not a few months now. and that this is being used as marketing and keeping the nations eye on the Vikes which is actually smart, with the need for the new stadium and everything in between.

They do not need a new stadium. They just painted the structural supports Purple. Didn't you see?

Right. Our savior.

Didn't Brett Say shortly after the Saint's loss that he would not do what he did the year before and would let the Vikings know early that he was coming back? Well, if he did the Vikings are not letting anyone know about it. Makes you wonder

that title belongs to Joe Webb

Well, Jim, I can't say I'm surprised you disagree with me, especially when it comes to Favre.

Like I said, it's my take. Nothing more. And to answer your question ... no, it shouldn't apply to other veterans. Again, my take. Disagree if you like.

I'm completely sick and tired of every hack writer at every failing newspaper in America telling us how Brett Favre is manipulating the media. They don't know jack. And it pisses me off when people make up sh*t in the media. I'm sick of Ed Werder and Rachel Nichols hanging around Hattiesburg, acting like they know something and trumping up stories that don't exist. Every time SportsCenter runs a tease about Brett Favre, it turns out to be nothing. Then they dress up that idiot Mark Schlereth in a suit to talk about how Favre is a diva who kills team unity.

Favre will tell us when he tells us. Living with that is very easy for me ... I simply consider the alternative at quarterback.

They do not need a new stadium. They just painted the structural supports Purple. Didn't you see? [/quote]

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and don't forget the $460,000 new Turf Air Grass or whatever.

UGH! I CANNOT STAND that D'Bag Mark Schlereth! haha, ya know if you were to take what he says as testament then he'd be the sole reason anyone has ever won a SuperBowl. Go back to Guiding Light!


And I agree Kappy! I have absolutely no problem whatsoever waiting for Favre.

That would actually be a great name for a Movie.: "Waiting For Favre" - The unbelievable inspiring true story of a Minnesota football teams rise to glory and winning it all! - "I have never cried and cheered so much at the same time : 2 Thumbs and a ring finger UP" - Roger Ebert

Ok, sorry I have to go to sleep now.