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Do you think The Saints purposely hit Favre with illegal hits?
Yes 76%  76%  [ 32 ]
No 21%  21%  [ 9 ]
You're a poor sport 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
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you guys keep saying how all this is changing your minds about how you'll root in the SB... do you really think that hurts our feelings or something? we've been underdogs since this team came into existence.... I could care less how a couple Vikings fans root

the fact is, the Saints played hard, not dirty... anything else is just losers crying... I'd be ashamed if this was how Saints fans reacted if we had lost... blame everybody and everything except the TURNOVERS... all these threads just sound like sour grapes

ban me, i dont care.... this is just retarded

How many roughing the passer penalties did you get? And now your defensive cordinator is saying that they are going to try to hit Peyton hard. No mention of trying to sack him just hit him hard. If thats not dirty I don't know what is. If you want to hear how awesome the Saints are then go to your own boards, cause you won't hear it here or on TV :lol:


again, i dont understand whats dirty about wanting to hit the QB? this is football right? not tiddlywinks... grow a set... maybe YOU should have gotten to Brees more often

Right here you admit the opposite of what you voted. Your trying to say they didn't mean to hurt him but they were going to hit him whether it was legal or not. You have to be a bandwagoning troll. I've been over the loss to the Saints about 15 mins after the game. I've been Viking fan too long to not be prepared for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
It seems that you can't get over the lack of respect your team is getting with a victory that you need to keep coming here. You insist your classy, but you come off as a complete troll. State your opinion but don't try to piss on my leg and tell me it's rain. Myself and others on this board have pointed out that the fault was with our offensive line and coaching. Your posts come off as some one trying yo rub it in.

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Right here you admit the opposite of what you voted. Your trying to say they didn't mean to hurt him but they were going to hit him whether it was legal or not.



i never said they were going to hit him legal or not... i said they were aiming to hit him, JUST LIKE ANY DEFENSE WANTS TO DO TO THE OPPOSING QB... not all QB hits are sacks, and not all non-sacks are illegal...

you people act like anytime Favre is breathed on its an illegal hit... i hate how soft this game has gotten... right now the people on this board are the definition of soft with the way they're portraying the way the game should be played

anything the Saints did illegaly they were called for, but just to say that they were intentionally TRYING to hurt favre is rediculous... they were trying to make him uncomfortable in the pocket not take him out of the game

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anything the Saints did illegaly they were called for, but just to say that they were intentionally TRYING to hurt favre is rediculous... they were trying to make him uncomfortable in the pocket not take him out of the game


Except the hit below the knees, which doesn't count because its part of the sissy "Brady Rule."


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Lets not forget the dead play hit either. My point is why are you in a thread like this if it upsets you other than trolling. We have other threads that address the draft , next season, whether we want Farve back, go into them. Why aren't you in the AD thread telling Viking fans to stop complaining about AD's fumbles all running backs fumble so deal with it. What happened on Sunday is a fact to be discussed. Viking fans will view things different than you don't be supprised. If you want people that share your view go to a Saints board. I just think it's funny and I can't help but feed the trolls. Here take a big bite it's filling :spam:

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please.... call me a bandwagon troll if you want, but I've been a Saints fan since I was in middle school when the Billy Joes were at QB... I've also been on this board since EARLY last week, and I've contributed immensely to discussion before and after the game.... I was the first to congratulate the Vikings on their play and was also the first to admit that they should have won that game... its not like I'm coming around just to rub your faces in it... I have over 100 posts in just over a week

the reason I'm so active on this thread is b/c the Saints are unfairly being called cheaters... if the Vikings had gotten all those hits on Brees (as most VIking fans said was needed to win last week) and it was Saints fans calling YOU the cheaters, how would you be reacting?

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please.... call me a bandwagon troll if you want, but I've been a Saints fan since I was in middle school when the Billy Joes were at QB... I've also been on this board since EARLY last week, and I've contributed immensely to discussion before and after the game.... I was the first to congratulate the Vikings on their play and was also the first to admit that they should have won that game... its not like I'm coming around just to rub your faces in it... I have over 100 posts in just over a week

the reason I'm so active on this thread is b/c the Saints are unfairly being called cheaters... if the Vikings had gotten all those hits on Brees (as most VIking fans said was needed to win last week) and it was Saints fans calling YOU the cheaters, how would you be reacting?


Some hits are judgment calls, but the one below the knees with another man hitting him high was a blatant violation of NFL rules. All there is to say. Its a little ridiculous to label them as cheaters, but that one was definitely a cheap shot.


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Still hungry I see. I could care less that you've been a Saints fan for 10 years. I've been a Viking fan since about 1970. In 4 decades as a Vikings fan I have learned that if I discuss the Vikes in a Packer bar that they will not see things my way no matter how many times I state my case. I think the same thing goes for forum boards with out the violence. If you want someone to pat you on the back and say the 4 cheap shots on Farve were ok go to a Saints board. Like I said before 1 or 2 shots can be dismissed as being up for the game. 4 gets you thinking that they might be trying to hurt someone. You already stated that you don't care who we root for. Why should you care about this.

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if you wanna play numbers, I'd say 4 so called illegal hits (according to you) out of the total 20 hits is proof enough that the point wasn't to cheapshot or hurt him

I'd say 4 questionable hits out of 20 is a rather GOOD percentage... when you have THAT MANY shot on the QB and that QB's fans only question 4 of them its sounds pretty nitpicky

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if you wanna play numbers, I'd say 4 so called illegal hits (according to you) out of the total 20 hits is proof enough that the point wasn't to cheapshot or hurt him

4 is too many...

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if you wanna play numbers, I'd say 4 so called illegal hits (according to you) out of the total 20 hits is proof enough that the point wasn't to cheapshot or hurt him

4 is too many...


maybe 4 is too many for the vikings, who had like 5 hits total on the QB

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if you wanna play numbers, I'd say 4 so called illegal hits (according to you) out of the total 20 hits is proof enough that the point wasn't to cheapshot or hurt him

4 is too many...


maybe 4 is too many for the vikings, who had like 5 hits total on the QB

5 legal hits...Any time a team commits 4 illegal hits, that is far too many.

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5 legal hits...Any time a team commits 4 illegal hits, that is far too many.


well apparently by yalls rules its illegal to play pattycake with the QB so I dont trust your definition of illegal

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5 legal hits...Any time a team commits 4 illegal hits, that is far too many.


well apparently by yalls rules its illegal to play pattycake with the QB so I dont trust your definition of illegal

Thats according to the NFL rules...

I agree that the penalties should not be as strict as they are when it comes to touching the QB, but this season the NFL has called some ridiculous calls on people sacking the QB. If the NFL calls it that way, players need to play it that way.

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First of all, I'd say that the reasons we lost was most importantly turnovers and this is not meant as a "sour grapes" post.

That said, I pretty much agree with what J Kapp said. One aspect that makes the hits suspect is that it wasn't always specifically one player laying the hits indicating a systematic strategy. While trying to shake up a qb is not necessarily playing dirty, the sentiment or strategy that incorporates an attitude of 'we'll take a few penalties and throw caution to the wind, if that's what is necessary to take him out either mentally or physically' seems to be a 'win at any cost' mentality and not necessarily in the spirit of sportsmanship.

Look at what happened to Warner the week before, while he was going for the ball McCray blantantly launches himself at Warner taking any opportunity to knock him in to next week. While technically it was a legal hit, the vitriol with which it was delivered added to the numerous hits Favre took make the defensive game plan look a little suspect in regards to attacking the qb at any chance. While I'm not advocating for flag football to be played as this is a contact sport there is a difference between trying to shake the quarterback (or any player for that matter) up and get him outside of his comfort zone and blatantly hitting him as hard or recklessly as possible any chance you get (ie: the Harvin hand off hit and the low hit) which as I stated points to a systematic game plan that is directed towards taking a player/s out.

Also look at the hit that Reynaud took on the downed punt. While it may have been legal (although I think he may have been called for roughness) because he wasn't touched when he took the knee, he had been down and had given up on the play for a couple seconds when he was blindsided in the back when in most cases defenders would just touch them to down them when the play is obviously over.

Here's a quote from Greg Williams about the upcoming game and the plan for Manning. Makes you look at these previous hits as part of a scheme and mindset as opposed to one or two "cheap or dirty players."

"Here's the deal. When you put too much of that type of worry on a warrior's mind, he doesn't play all out. If it happens, it happens. And the only thing you'd like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn't get back up and play again."


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if you wanna play numbers, I'd say 4 so called illegal hits (according to you) out of the total 20 hits is proof enough that the point wasn't to cheapshot or hurt him

4 is too many...


maybe 4 is too many for the vikings, who had like 5 hits total on the QB


Honestly you have to still talk 4 days after the game? Have fun losing in Miami.

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Honestly you have to still talk 4 days after the game? Have fun losing in Miami.


I look forward to watching that. Instant Karma's gonna get you.


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Perhaps the wording of the poll is a bit of the contentious issue. The word "illegal" seems to carry a moral component. Think of this wording:
"Do you think the Saints were willing to live with a few personal foul calls on late hits in order to stay aggressive and physically intimidate Favre?" Would anyone say the answer to that question is "No"? Even Saints fans?

To be fair, the Vikes really tried to beat up Steve Young in the last game one year (1996?) to get him onto the bench and improve the chances of winning the division title. I don't remember any flags, but we had a great DL then (Thomas and Randle IIRC) and probably just needed to ignore the run and attack the QB, and that did the trick.

Under the current rules, this was pretty clearly the best Saints strategy to win the game, especially if they really are the pretenders that they appeared to be from this game (275 yard against our defense?!?). If Favre goes out with the ankle injury, the chance that TJack pulls this one out, coming in cold, is pretty minimal. I seem to have a lot more faith in TJ than anyone else here (I think he could have won the Dallas game), but that would have been a brutal situation.

This is where the "card" system in soccer makes sense. You commit a reckless penalty, you get a yellow card. Do it again, and you don't get to play anymore. "Intent to injure"? Immediate disqualification.

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I think the saints defensive game plan was fine with taking a few 15 yard penalties to put Favre on the ground a few times. I don't see any thing wrong with that type of mentality though. This is the choice, and that's the consequence, it's up to the saint coaches to determine if it's worth it or not. From a Viking perspective we were able to keep drives alive and make some things happen because of those penalties.

By the way I just watched the "official review" video with Mike Pereira and he does admit that they missed another roughing the passer call on the shot Favre takes to the back of his knees when hes also engaged up high.

Anyway, this was the first NFL game in a long while where I thought "wow these guys are ####" (referring to the saints) not because they were so skilled of a pass rush, cause they didn't care if Favre got the throw or hand off, off. The Saints didn't show much respect.

Honestly, I was a little jealous, this is the PLAYOFFS and if you lose you go home. If they win a superbowl title because they were jerks then christ sign me up!!! I'd rather be in the big one and called dirty then sitting here calling the other team cheap.....


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Our O-Line did a pretty good job of pass blocking, they can only do so much.

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So, am I correct in that, if the roughing the passer is called, the interception is negated and the Vikinigs get the ball back. Or am I remembering the rule wrong? Because had they, that would have made it 1st and 10 at the 19.

Not that AP or someone else wouldn't have fumbled away anyway.

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You got that right! Mike Pereira, V.P. of NFL Officiating stated on NFL Network that it was a missed call! He also justified the Personal Foul on Hargrove who threw all of his weight onto Favre as he lifted him and planted him into the turf! He confirmed the inconclusive evidence to overturn the 4th and 1 play and the Meachem bobble of which I had no problem because their was no conclusive evidence to over rule either call! On the bobble by Meachem, he clearly stated that had the call been incomplete they would have also not over ruled it.

One play they did not discuss or even mention, despite dozens of Saints fans claiming otherwise, but who cannot locate the footage on NFL.com to support, is the PI call on Leber that got the Saints within FG range prior to the Meachem call! That was the one blown call in overtime that was inexcusable on the officiating crew who should all be suspended indefinitely pending additional training!

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if you wanna play numbers, I'd say 4 so called illegal hits (according to you) out of the total 20 hits is proof enough that the point wasn't to cheapshot or hurt him

I'd say 4 questionable hits out of 20 is a rather GOOD percentage... when you have THAT MANY shot on the QB and that QB's fans only question 4 of them its sounds pretty nitpicky

I have no problem with the 16 clean hits. Good job that was within the rules. The way you break it down 20% of the hits were bad. That's pretty poor play from professional athletes. This is why some feel they were intentionally trying to hurt Farve. This is all a moot point though.

Your on here trying to tell us not to discuss it. It is a Viking issue we have every right to discuss it on a Viking board whether you agree with it or not. We'll move on when we're ready. Some of our members may still need time to vent. If they don't live in Minnesota this is the only place they have. I don't think they should be muzzled to make you feel better.

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So, am I correct in that, if the roughing the passer is called, the interception is negated and the Vikinigs get the ball back. Or am I remembering the rule wrong? Because had they, that would have made it 1st and 10 at the 19.

Not that AP or someone else wouldn't have fumbled away anyway.


You are correct, the INT would have been negated and that probably leads to at least a FG.


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So, am I correct in that, if the roughing the passer is called, the interception is negated and the Vikinigs get the ball back. Or am I remembering the rule wrong? Because had they, that would have made it 1st and 10 at the 19.

Not that AP or someone else wouldn't have fumbled away anyway.


You are correct, the INT would have been negated and that probably leads to at least a FG.

Damn, that's what I thought. :wallbang:

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I personally do, I think they were trying to get him out of the game so the game would be easier on their team. I felt that they really cheated doing that and it was sickening how they called a fumble on a play where the saints hit favre low and #### him up the rest of the game. I really hope Manning is prepared for these cheaters.



listen this is football not a beach OK??

you are suppose to hit and rattle the opposing QB. if you have problem with it then protect your QB which you couldn't//

Saints game planned it perfectly which is hit Favre as much as they can because if you do he will turn the ball over like he did 3 times. LOL


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Gee if our line could block anyone we wouldn't need to have this discussion in the first place. Time to start pointing fingers at the real problem, don'tcha think?



There is definitely blame to go around on our Oline, and to be honest id be even especially hard on our Olin eif Favre had been getting "sacked" or extremely hurried every play, but I find it hard lay blame on a line for (what seem obvious to me) "late" hits. not just 1 or 2 but 4 qtrs worth. Im bitter about the loss sure, but im not pinning the loss on this either, it's just dirty. and was weird to watch.

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I personally do, I think they were trying to get him out of the game so the game would be easier on their team. I felt that they really cheated doing that and it was sickening how they called a fumble on a play where the saints hit favre low and #### him up the rest of the game. I really hope Manning is prepared for these cheaters.



listen this is football not a beach OK??

you are suppose to hit and rattle the opposing QB. if you have problem with it then protect your QB which you couldn't//



Saints game planned it perfectly which is hit Favre as much as they can because if you do he will turn the ball over like he did 3 times. LOL


It's too bad they couldn't hit him while the ball was still in his hands. Then they'd be a D that played a really great game.

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d816041bd/Official-Review


Call were missed but illegal? No. The lift hit looked to be legal in regular speed but when they slow mode it it looked to have a little lift on the play but Like I said in real life how can anyone say that was an illegal hit. The hit was so hard that the momentum lifted Favre off his feet and the defender just wraps his arms around the QB.

The hit that came about 2 to 3 seconds after Favre handoff the ball could have gone either way. I truly believe the Referee thought Brett had the ball and was rolling out like he loves to do. I for one thought Brett Favre still had the ball too. Farve shouldn't have played it out so long. Once he handed off the ball he should have gotten out of the way. If he wants to pretend and get hit, its on him. Its a Judgement call.

The Brady rule call you all wanted was caused by your O-lineman pushing #93 Bobby McCray on the back of his back causing him to fall toward Brett Favre. If you watch, You can also see on that same play two offensive linemen holding #91 Will Smith. Yeah, the referees missed two calls on that play but it wasn't a personal foul call like you guys wanted. 2 penalties , holding and push to the back, which would have brought you back 10 yards.

The head of the refs said the Brady rule was ignored here and said it should have been a penalty on the Saints. He also said he was going to look into it. I believe that means if your team is going to try for alot of late hits on Peyton be prepared for it to rain yellow flags in Miami.

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New Orleans defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, speaking earlier in the week on a Tennessee sports talk radio show, said the Saints will need to deliver some "remember me" shots on Manning and added, "you hope he doesn't get back up and play again" at Sun Life Stadium on Feb. 7th.

Asked if he was worried about the Saints getting penalties for late hits, Williams said, "If it happens, it happens. The only thing that you'd like for me to say is that if it happens, you hope that he doesn't get back up and play again."

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100129/SPORTS03/1290398/1100/Saints-defense-puts-target-on-Colts-Peyton-Manning

Its becoming harder and harder for the Saints fans to argue their case.



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The Brady rule call you all wanted was caused by your O-lineman pushing #93 Bobby McCray on the back of his back causing him to fall toward Brett Favre. If you watch, You can also see on that same play two offensive linemen holding #91 Will Smith. Yeah, the referees missed two calls on that play but it wasn't a personal foul call like you guys wanted. 2 penalties , holding and push to the back, which would have brought you back 10 yards.


Makes absolutely no difference. He was pushed about 5 yards away from Favre and made no conscious effort to avoid hitting him low. Holding could be called on almost, if not, every NFL down, so that is a weak argument as well. You wont convince us that the hit was clean, and I doubt you can convince yourself either.


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Post Re: Do you think TheSaints purposely hit Favre with illegal hits
It's pretty clear that they cheated in the manner suggested by this thread's title. Does it sound like whining to say that? Sure. But sometimes, it's legit to kvetch (we Jews prefer that word to "whine"), and this is one of those times.

The Saints truly are coached to be dirty. And for that reason alone, I'm rooting big time for the gutless franchise that quietly left Baltimore in the middle of the night like a pack of sleazy rats. In other words, as much as it pains me to say it, Go Colts!


Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:14 pm
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