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Re: The list of Vikings players that should not be back next year!!!

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:35 pm

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Xavier Rhodes was arguably the best CB in the NFL in 2017. He's not just going to be benched the following season. Did he play great? No, but he still very much held his own and we still had a top 3 passing defense because of him. Fans got use to him shutting every #1 WR down and that wasnt as much the case this year and guys are all over him for it. What made me mad with him was him being injured every time he got beat. If you get beat, you get beat. Dont play the injury card every time it happens because it lets your team down. Luckily, we had depth to fill in when he limped off. But if we didnt and we had a guy getting smoked every time Rhodes felt like being injured, I'd be snapping.

And again, this CB class is pretty weak. There isnt a playmaking shutdown CB in this class regardless. Even if there was, who is he going to start over?!! Definitely not Waynes or Rhodes. Mac has the slot locked down now. Then you have Hughes and Hill as the other outside CBs. Where would a 1st round CB possibly fit in. It would be a complete waste of a pick.
Aside from the Rams game where we got zero pressure on Goff, Rhodes did not give up a over 70 yards to a single receiver all season. Yea, he should have been benched. :whistle:
This.... And outside of the Rams game, did Waynes give up over 70 yards to a single WR? My guess is no.
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Re: The list of Vikings players that should not be back next year!!!

Post by StumpHunter » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:16 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:35 pm
StumpHunter wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:29 am


Aside from the Rams game where we got zero pressure on Goff, Rhodes did not give up a over 70 yards to a single receiver all season. Yea, he should have been benched. :whistle:
This.... And outside of the Rams game, did Waynes give up over 70 yards to a single WR? My guess is no.
Was he on MT with Rhodes out versus the Saints? I would assume so, and that means yes, he gave up 89 to him. That was MT's 5th worst game of the season though.
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Re: The list of Vikings players that should not be back next year!!!

Post by CharVike » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:42 am

StumpHunter wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:29 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:49 am


Xavier Rhodes was arguably the best CB in the NFL in 2017. He's not just going to be benched the following season. Did he play great? No, but he still very much held his own and we still had a top 3 passing defense because of him. Fans got use to him shutting every #1 WR down and that wasnt as much the case this year and guys are all over him for it. What made me mad with him was him being injured every time he got beat. If you get beat, you get beat. Dont play the injury card every time it happens because it lets your team down. Luckily, we had depth to fill in when he limped off. But if we didnt and we had a guy getting smoked every time Rhodes felt like being injured, I'd be snapping.

And again, this CB class is pretty weak. There isnt a playmaking shutdown CB in this class regardless. Even if there was, who is he going to start over?!! Definitely not Waynes or Rhodes. Mac has the slot locked down now. Then you have Hughes and Hill as the other outside CBs. Where would a 1st round CB possibly fit in. It would be a complete waste of a pick.
Aside from the Rams game where we got zero pressure on Goff, Rhodes did not give up a over 70 yards to a single receiver all season. Yea, he should have been benched. :whistle:
It's hard to give up yards from the bench. But somethings wrong. I seen this group fold in the Champ game. The guy averaged over 10 yards an attempt. Do you have any idea how bad that is? If we put Rhodes on the block I doubt we could get a 1st rounder for him. There's a reason for that. Particular when these ratings have him as a shut down guy.
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Re: The list of Vikings players that should not be back next year!!!

Post by StumpHunter » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:53 am

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It's hard to give up yards from the bench.
He wasn't on the bench, he was playing and shutting the opposing team's #1 down. They were arguably the best pass defense in the NFL this season, and you want the secondary gone?
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But somethings wrong. I seen this group fold in the Champ game. The guy averaged over 10 yards an attempt. Do you have any idea how bad that is?
Yep, the defense had a bad game. The biggest issue was coverage of the Ertz in that game though, not necessarily the WRs. Rhodes struggled against Jeffrey no doubt, but there aren't a lot of CBs who wouldn't have.
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If we put Rhodes on the block I doubt we could get a 1st rounder for him. There's a reason for that. Particular when these ratings have him as a shut down guy.
What CB would warrant a #1? Talib is also one of the best CBs in the NFL and Denver got a 5th for him. Bad argument.
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Re: The list of Vikings players that should not be back next year!!!

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:24 am

CharVike wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:42 am
StumpHunter wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:29 am


Aside from the Rams game where we got zero pressure on Goff, Rhodes did not give up a over 70 yards to a single receiver all season. Yea, he should have been benched. :whistle:
It's hard to give up yards from the bench. But somethings wrong. I seen this group fold in the Champ game. The guy averaged over 10 yards an attempt. Do you have any idea how bad that is? If we put Rhodes on the block I doubt we could get a 1st rounder for him. There's a reason for that. Particular when these ratings have him as a shut down guy.
Well he'll be 29 years old by next season and carries a huge cap number. Why would anyone give a first for him? Ask teams what they wouldve gave up for him 3 years ago. We'd get a first any day of the week. I'm not sure what you're even arguing at this point. But once again, this is a weak CB class. And we have the deepest group and top 2-3 overall group in the league. Many teams would drool over what we have for CBs. And our #4 and #5 CBs would probably start on close to half the teams in this league
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Re: The list of Vikings players that should not be back next year!!!

Post by StumpHunter » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:49 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:24 am
CharVike wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:42 am

It's hard to give up yards from the bench. But somethings wrong. I seen this group fold in the Champ game. The guy averaged over 10 yards an attempt. Do you have any idea how bad that is? If we put Rhodes on the block I doubt we could get a 1st rounder for him. There's a reason for that. Particular when these ratings have him as a shut down guy.
Well he'll be 29 years old by next season and carries a huge cap number. Why would anyone give a first for him? Ask teams what they wouldve gave up for him 3 years ago. We'd get a first any day of the week. I'm not sure what you're even arguing at this point. But once again, this is a weak CB class. And we have the deepest group and top 2-3 overall group in the league. Many teams would drool over what we have for CBs. And our #4 and #5 CBs would probably start on close to half the teams in this league
It just isn't a position that has a lot of trade value.

I wonder why GMs are so willing to spend high 1st rounders, like an 11th overall for instance, on unproven CBs, then when a guy like Talib hits FAs, all he can bring in is a 5th? I know that cap hit is important, and Talib cost a lot more than a rookie, but even Peters and a sixth only brought in a 2nd and a 4th.
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Re: The list of Vikings players that should not be back next year!!!

Post by CharVike » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:14 am

StumpHunter wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:49 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:24 am


Well he'll be 29 years old by next season and carries a huge cap number. Why would anyone give a first for him? Ask teams what they wouldve gave up for him 3 years ago. We'd get a first any day of the week. I'm not sure what you're even arguing at this point. But once again, this is a weak CB class. And we have the deepest group and top 2-3 overall group in the league. Many teams would drool over what we have for CBs. And our #4 and #5 CBs would probably start on close to half the teams in this league
It just isn't a position that has a lot of trade value.

I wonder why GMs are so willing to spend high 1st rounders, like an 11th overall for instance, on unproven CBs, then when a guy like Talib hits FAs, all he can bring in is a 5th? I know that cap hit is important, and Talib cost a lot more than a rookie, but even Peters and a sixth only brought in a 2nd and a 4th.
In todays game defense comes down to two positions. Pass rushing DE and coverage guys. It's a passing league more than ever. The Bears get Mack, pass rusher, and they become the top ranked defense. There problem is nothing at QB yet. Maybe the guy will develop but he's a RB now and not much more. Not even close to what we have in Cousins. My feeling is you never have enough CB or pass rushers. That's what makes a D great. Also when I say shutdown I'm talking about giving up nothing like the Pats did in the SB. A complete blank against a top offense. If we ever make the playoffs again it will be the same old secondary getting ripped to pieces A team won't advance doing that. But we won't make the playoffs anytime soon. We have far too many holes including the secondary. Gotta hope Sloter turns into the guy because we have 2 more years of Kirk and the team has too many holes to advance much beyond .500.
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Re: The list of Vikings players that should not be back next year!!!

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:46 am

CharVike wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:14 am
StumpHunter wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:49 pm


It just isn't a position that has a lot of trade value.

I wonder why GMs are so willing to spend high 1st rounders, like an 11th overall for instance, on unproven CBs, then when a guy like Talib hits FAs, all he can bring in is a 5th? I know that cap hit is important, and Talib cost a lot more than a rookie, but even Peters and a sixth only brought in a 2nd and a 4th.
In todays game defense comes down to two positions. Pass rushing DE and coverage guys. It's a passing league more than ever. The Bears get Mack, pass rusher, and they become the top ranked defense. There problem is nothing at QB yet. Maybe the guy will develop but he's a RB now and not much more. Not even close to what we have in Cousins. My feeling is you never have enough CB or pass rushers. That's what makes a D great. Also when I say shutdown I'm talking about giving up nothing like the Pats did in the SB. A complete blank against a top offense. If we ever make the playoffs again it will be the same old secondary getting ripped to pieces A team won't advance doing that. But we won't make the playoffs anytime soon. We have far too many holes including the secondary. Gotta hope Sloter turns into the guy because we have 2 more years of Kirk and the team has too many holes to advance much beyond .500.
Lol there are literally zero holes in the secondary dude. Idk why you keep trying to push that point. Just because they didn’t play well 2 years ago in the playoffs doesn’t mean they aren’t a good secondary. Time to move past the eagles game. And the patriots are far from a shutdown secondary. They just had an excellent game plan against. But you seem to forget about nick foles shredding their D worse than ours in the actual Super Bowl.....but that’s the kind of secondary you want. They were average against the pass all year. And they didn’t shut down the rams because of talent. It was because of the game plan.....and Jared Goff crapping his pants on the big stage
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