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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by Texas Vike » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:07 pm

This is potentially tangential, but it made me think of the process of hiring coaches and coordinators and the rationale that is often used in making these important decisions.

The article criticizes the AZ Cardinals' hiring of Kingsbury (worth a read), but I'll quote the part that I think is pertinent to this thread below:
http://theundefeated.com/features/all-t ... troubling/

The justifications for most head coach hires are as follows:

Retread: The candidate had some success doing this job elsewhere. With the proper support and the value of previous experience, he can reproduce and improve on that level of success.
Accomplished coordinator: This candidate was great at strategy, play design and playcalling for one side of the ball. While those skills are not directly applicable to the requirements of a head coach, being good on one side of the ball or the other is obviously valuable.
Championship proximity: This candidate was on the staff of a winner. And presumably he knows how to duplicate the culture and conditions that facilitate success.
Step up: This candidate has succeeded as a head coach in college or in a different pro football league, so he should be able to do it in the NFL.
In another article by the same author, I can't help but picture Zimmer as exhibit A:
Too many head coaches underestimate the importance of their new CEO duties and focus on the side of the ball that brought them success. The impact of that on a team is not unlike what happens in other organizations: There is no strategic cohesion, long-term awareness and a culture of apathy develops. In football, those issues manifest themselves in a few ways: poor clock management, indecisiveness at important moments, missed assignments by players, disgruntled players, harmful leaks to the media, etc.
Here's the link to this article: https://theundefeated.com/features/all- ... -nfl-team/
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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by PurpleMustReign » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:13 pm

Texas Vike wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:07 pm
This is potentially tangential, but it made me think of the process of hiring coaches and coordinators and the rationale that is often used in making these important decisions.

The article criticizes the AZ Cardinals' hiring of Kingsbury (worth a read), but I'll quote the part that I think is pertinent to this thread below:
http://theundefeated.com/features/all-t ... troubling/

The justifications for most head coach hires are as follows:

Retread: The candidate had some success doing this job elsewhere. With the proper support and the value of previous experience, he can reproduce and improve on that level of success.
Accomplished coordinator: This candidate was great at strategy, play design and playcalling for one side of the ball. While those skills are not directly applicable to the requirements of a head coach, being good on one side of the ball or the other is obviously valuable.
Championship proximity: This candidate was on the staff of a winner. And presumably he knows how to duplicate the culture and conditions that facilitate success.
Step up: This candidate has succeeded as a head coach in college or in a different pro football league, so he should be able to do it in the NFL.
In another article by the same author, I can't help but picture Zimmer as exhibit A:
Too many head coaches underestimate the importance of their new CEO duties and focus on the side of the ball that brought them success. The impact of that on a team is not unlike what happens in other organizations: There is no strategic cohesion, long-term awareness and a culture of apathy develops. In football, those issues manifest themselves in a few ways: poor clock management, indecisiveness at important moments, missed assignments by players, disgruntled players, harmful leaks to the media, etc.
Here's the link to this article: https://theundefeated.com/features/all- ... -nfl-team/
That describes Zimmer to a 'T'. Wow.
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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by Mothman » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:43 pm

Josh and I both just posted about this in the Priefer thread but I think it's worth including the news here too since the theme of the thread is "hirings and firings":

According to Ben Goessling and Mark Craig of the Star Tribune, Mike Priefer will not be returning as the Vikings’ special teams coordinator in 2019.
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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by PurpleMustReign » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:13 pm

Mothman wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:43 pm
Josh and I both just posted about this in the Priefer thread but I think it's worth including the news here too since the theme of the thread is "hirings and firings":

According to Ben Goessling and Mark Craig of the Star Tribune, Mike Priefer will not be returning as the Vikings’ special teams coordinator in 2019.
I'm a little nervous about how the Wilf's are handling Zimmer and spielman, and what thst will do to potential coaching candidates... Of the three options (extend them, fire them, do nothing), if seems they are doing the worst one. I hope thrt doesn't make it hard for them to get decent coaches.
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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by Dames » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:38 pm

PurpleMustReign wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:13 pm
I'm a little nervous about how the Wilf's are handling Zimmer and spielman, and what thst will do to potential coaching candidates... Of the three options (extend them, fire them, do nothing), if seems they are doing the worst one. I hope thrt doesn't make it hard for them to get decent coaches.
I'm the complete opposite. I think it's fine. There's no reason to extend them right now, and IMO not enough reason to fire them yet. I think next year could change that one way or the other. I think letting it play out is the right move for now. I guess I understand why some feel differently, but I don't think firing them after one down year is right. The year before they went to the NFC Championship. The NFL is a hard business. It's extremely rare to find a a coach who wins very year. I see their faults, but many other teams have it MUCH worse than the Vikings. I'm a little old-school though, I prefer continuity. I think the firing craze is absurd. It rarely improves the team immediately. Sure, it happens, but it's the exception vs the norm.

By the way, I think this helps with potential future coaches. Both Zim and Spielman have had long leashes. The Wilfs do not appear to be knee-jerk. That has to give someone a better feel for the environment.
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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by Texas Vike » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:49 pm

Vikings hired Marwan Maarlouf as ST coach. More here:
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/1/21 ... eams-coach
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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by S197 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:34 pm

Texas Vike wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:49 pm
Vikings hired Marwan Maarlouf as ST coach. More here:
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/1/21 ... eams-coach
TIL special teams quality control coach is a thing
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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by Texas Vike » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:26 pm

S197 wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:34 pm
Texas Vike wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:49 pm
Vikings hired Marwan Maarlouf as ST coach. More here:
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/1/21 ... eams-coach
TIL special teams quality control coach is a thing
TIL what TIL stands for! :lol:
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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by S197 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:39 pm

Texas Vike wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:26 pm
S197 wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:34 pm


TIL special teams quality control coach is a thing
TIL what TIL stands for! :lol:
:lol: sorry too much Reddit
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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by Raz » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:49 pm

Dont know if this should go here or not but Pete Morellie is going to retire one of the bigger Viking killer that there ever was.
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Re: Off season changes/ hirings & firings

Post by PurpleMustReign » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:52 pm

Raz wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:49 pm
Dont know if this should go here or not but Pete Morellie is going to retire one of the bigger Viking killer that there ever was.
Should have been fired 10 years ago.
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