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TV Map. Re subscribed to digital cable just in time.

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Oakland? REALLY? :wallbang:

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In the Panther scheme sure, but our guys are aces at our scheme, which includes disguise as well as playing coverage as needed. Last week we shut down Carolinas passing game, which includes throws to backs. That is a big deal. This year the Patriots Offense has basically cut its bread by throwing to Gronk and it's stable of running backs.

Barr and Kendricks for me, no hesitation.


Lol, imo i'd trade both Kendricks and Barr for Luke alone, dude is probably the smartest line backer and best zone backer in the game which would fit perfectly into our LB's, it would be like having another Harrison smith type difference maker but at LB. I know its just a game but among the gaming and madden world Kendrick's and Barr didn't even break 80's overall and Luke is a 99.

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In the Panther scheme sure, but our guys are aces at our scheme, which includes disguise as well as playing coverage as needed. Last week we shut down Carolinas passing game, which includes throws to backs. That is a big deal. This year the Patriots Offense has basically cut its bread by throwing to Gronk and it's stable of running backs.

Barr and Kendricks for me, no hesitation.


Lol, imo i'd trade both Kendricks and Barr for Luke alone, dude is probably the smartest line backer and best zone backer in the game which would fit perfectly into our LB's, it would be like having another Harrison smith type difference maker but at LB. I know its just a game but among the gaming and madden world Kendrick's and Barr didn't even break 80's overall and Luke is a 99.

You cannot be serious. Who in the hell cares about the gaming world? Do you realize how much credibility you lose with that statement?

There is no way I'd trade Barr and Kendricks for anybody. Not in Zimmer's system. There aren't a pair of linebackers in the league who can run sideline to sideline, drop into coverage from the line of scrimmage, and rush the passer like these two. That's what you have to be able to do to play linebacker in Zimmer's system, and they're masters at it.

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I mean I wouldn't trade both of them for Keuchly, but anyone who would take Kendricks over Keuchly at MLB is just being a homer or has never watched him play. Best MLB in the league without question.


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In the Panther scheme sure, but our guys are aces at our scheme, which includes disguise as well as playing coverage as needed. Last week we shut down Carolinas passing game, which includes throws to backs. That is a big deal. This year the Patriots Offense has basically cut its bread by throwing to Gronk and it's stable of running backs.

Barr and Kendricks for me, no hesitation.


Lol, imo i'd trade both Kendricks and Barr for Luke alone, dude is probably the smartest line backer and best zone backer in the game which would fit perfectly into our LB's, it would be like having another Harrison smith type difference maker but at LB. I know its just a game but among the gaming and madden world Kendrick's and Barr didn't even break 80's overall and Luke is a 99.

You cannot be serious. Who in the hell cares about the gaming world? Do you realize how much credibility you lose with that statement?

There is no way I'd trade Barr and Kendricks for anybody. Not in Zimmer's system. There aren't a pair of linebackers in the league who can run sideline to sideline, drop into coverage from the line of scrimmage, and rush the passer like these two. That's what you have to be able to do to play linebacker in Zimmer's system, and they're masters at it.


You think Barr is the best LB in the game? Seriously? I love Kendricks, but he isnt even top 5. And speaking of systems, this is the one one that would work for Case. And probably Teddy. Neither have great arms, or accuracy on long throws, but can play the system of ball Pat is calling.


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You think Barr is the best LB in the game? Seriously? I love Kendricks, but he isnt even top 5. And speaking of systems, this is the one one that would work for Case. And probably Teddy. Neither have great arms, or accuracy on long throws, but can play the system of ball Pat is calling.
I don't know that I'd trade Kendricks for anyone else, but Barr is inconsistent to me. And sometimes I get the idea he is just going half speed. And he takes some bad penalties. His athleticism makes up for most of it, but I keep wondering if the light bulb will go on, because if he took on the position with full heart and mind, I think he'd be the best in the game.


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You think Barr is the best LB in the game? Seriously? I love Kendricks, but he isnt even top 5. And speaking of systems, this is the one one that would work for Case. And probably Teddy. Neither have great arms, or accuracy on long throws, but can play the system of ball Pat is calling.
I don't know that I'd trade Kendricks for anyone else, but Barr is inconsistent to me. And sometimes I get the idea he is just going half speed. And he takes some bad penalties. His athleticism makes up for most of it, but I keep wondering if the light bulb will go on, because if he took on the position with full heart and mind, I think he'd be the best in the game.


I agree about Barr. I've mentioned it before, but you simply cant say negative comments sometimes, or you either aernt a fan, or are ignorant and must show all your data. But Barr takes bad angles (mainly when blitzing it seems), and sometimes its like he forgets what to do. Like the split hesitation Waynes sometimes has in finding where the ball is. I do think Barr is a good LB, but hes not great, like we thought he would be, and I think should be. Now Kendricks, he is a star. I know sometimes people say he misses tackles, but I dont think it happens often. No, he isnt the athlete or speedster Barr is, but he is a great LB. But Id still trade him even up for Luke lol. Or a few others.

That being said, I bet Barr is the spy on Cam this weekend. And I have a feeling Barr will win.


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TV Map. Re subscribed to digital cable just in time.

http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2017&wk=14

I've been living the good life here in the Pacific NW. Vikings six weeks in a row, including the upcoming game. I am spoiled, and enjoying it all while it lasts.

Next week, for me, it's between:
Cincinnati @ Minnesota
NY Jets @ New Orleans
Miami @ Buffalo
Baltimore @ Cleveland

The bottom two aren't happening, at least, not here. I'd guess there's a better than even chance we go with the closest geographical team, the Vikes.

National broadcast the next week, vs. GB.

Week 17 - no shot, not with Carolina-Atlanta, GB-Detroit, and Dallas-Philadelphia on the schedule.

But then I get to see their next three home games! :wink:


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That being said, I bet Barr is the spy on Cam this weekend. And I have a feeling Barr will win.

I like our chances with that! Cam doesn't like to be hit, and Barr can dish it out.


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That being said, I bet Barr is the spy on Cam this weekend. And I have a feeling Barr will win.

I like our chances with that! Cam doesn't like to be hit, and Barr can dish it out.


Exactly. Cam is a lot like Rogers. He hates being hit, cries about it a lot. Case got nailed in the side of the head, and didnt say a word about it or complain. But it rattles Cam.


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Barr and Kendricks for me, no hesitation.


Lol, imo i'd trade both Kendricks and Barr for Luke alone, dude is probably the smartest line backer and best zone backer in the game which would fit perfectly into our LB's, it would be like having another Harrison smith type difference maker but at LB. I know its just a game but among the gaming and madden world Kendrick's and Barr didn't even break 80's overall and Luke is a 99.

You cannot be serious. Who in the hell cares about the gaming world? Do you realize how much credibility you lose with that statement?

There is no way I'd trade Barr and Kendricks for anybody. Not in Zimmer's system. There aren't a pair of linebackers in the league who can run sideline to sideline, drop into coverage from the line of scrimmage, and rush the passer like these two. That's what you have to be able to do to play linebacker in Zimmer's system, and they're masters at it.[/quote]

Who cares about the gaming world? well world wide its more popular than the nfl so. I hate to bring madden into reference however it is based of the sport we are talking about and players overall are decided by stats and group of "analyst". I do agree they often under cut some while playing favorites to others one thing I can guantee you is you don't get a 99 unless your a complete animal, for example JJ Watt, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers are the few names that come to mind that have grab the 99 rating over the last few years. Hate on the gaming world all you want, that's some elite company, I know we are Viking fans but you must be a real homer to think Kendricks or Barr is even in the realm of Luke.

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Two things I'm a little worried about right now.

#1. I still don't think the Vikings D plays as good on natural grass than on field turf.

#2. Looks like Greg Olsen is playing.

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Man, remember when Matt Kalil was rated 81 in Madden 15 guys!?

What happened to that?


It's... almost as if a video game has no bearing on how real life plays out! SHOCKER~!


Dude, you need to know the difference between real-life and video games. Just because someone is rated 99 doesn't mean they're really that #### good. Stick with realistic statistics and not fantasy stats to fit your arguments.

Looking at tackling stats alone:

Keuchly: 89 Combined Tackles, 53 Solo, 36 Assisted
Kendricks: 87 Combined Tackles, 56 Solo, 31 Assisted
Barr: 60 Combined Tackles, 46 Solo, 13 Assisted


Looking at tackling alone, Kendricks and Keuchly are pretty damn comparable, and I'd rather have the younger talent. Barr is also somewhat comparable, but from the looks of things, he's great at making solo tackles, even if he's inconsistent.


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In the Panther scheme sure, but our guys are aces at our scheme, which includes disguise as well as playing coverage as needed. Last week we shut down Carolinas passing game, which includes throws to backs. That is a big deal. This year the Patriots Offense has basically cut its bread by throwing to Gronk and it's stable of running backs.

Barr and Kendricks for me, no hesitation.


Lol, imo i'd trade both Kendricks and Barr for Luke alone, dude is probably the smartest line backer and best zone backer in the game which would fit perfectly into our LB's, it would be like having another Harrison smith type difference maker but at LB. I know its just a game but among the gaming and madden world Kendrick's and Barr didn't even break 80's overall and Luke is a 99.

You cannot be serious. Who in the hell cares about the gaming world? Do you realize how much credibility you lose with that statement?

There is no way I'd trade Barr and Kendricks for anybody. Not in Zimmer's system. There aren't a pair of linebackers in the league who can run sideline to sideline, drop into coverage from the line of scrimmage, and rush the passer like these two. That's what you have to be able to do to play linebacker in Zimmer's system, and they're masters at it.


If you didnt say this Kapp, I was going to. Yeah zero credibility with the whole gaming thing. IMO, I believe Kendricks is a top 5 MLB in this league. He's so grossly underrated it's not even funny.

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Barr and Kendricks for me, no hesitation.


Lol, imo i'd trade both Kendricks and Barr for Luke alone, dude is probably the smartest line backer and best zone backer in the game which would fit perfectly into our LB's, it would be like having another Harrison smith type difference maker but at LB. I know its just a game but among the gaming and madden world Kendrick's and Barr didn't even break 80's overall and Luke is a 99.

You cannot be serious. Who in the hell cares about the gaming world? Do you realize how much credibility you lose with that statement?

There is no way I'd trade Barr and Kendricks for anybody. Not in Zimmer's system. There aren't a pair of linebackers in the league who can run sideline to sideline, drop into coverage from the line of scrimmage, and rush the passer like these two. That's what you have to be able to do to play linebacker in Zimmer's system, and they're masters at it.


If you didnt say this Kapp, I was going to. Yeah zero credibility with the whole gaming thing. IMO, I believe Kendricks is a top 5 MLB in this league. He's so grossly underrated it's not even funny.[/quote]

Lol so a group of people basing a video game off the sport we are talking about isn't relevant? Zero credibility? Just cause its a video game? I'll explain this again players rating are based off a panel vote which is aimed to be as unbiased as possible. Even if they didnt under cut Kendricks abit he isnt no 99. The fact that these two are being compared to Luke just reinforces the fact your being bias. I showed you a group (big group) of people that agree with me but you dismiss it because its a video game? Then say Kendricks is top 5 with no backing at all? Take off the glasses, it might not be the best source but it is worth more than a bunch of bias fans towards their teams.

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Lol so a group of people basing a video game off the sport we are talking about isn't relevant? Zero credibility? Just cause its a video game? I'll explain this again players rating are based off a panel vote which is aimed to be as unbiased as possible. Even if they didnt under cut Kendricks abit he isnt no 99. The fact that these two are being compared to Luke just reinforces the fact your being bias. I showed you a group (big group) of people that agree with me but you dismiss it because its a video game? Then say Kendricks is top 5 with no backing at all? Take off the glasses, it might not be the best source but it is worth more than a bunch of bias fans towards their teams.


I'll say it: Zero Credibility. Are they really such experts? Who are they specifically? What is their track record? Most importantly: What are their current results? Want to test them? Take your current copy of Madden and see how it ranks the best teams. The go look at the standings and see how they did. I bet Dallas, currently sitting at 6-6, is a top 5 or even top 3 team in your precious game. Dallas is not going to make the playoffs this year.

Just because something has a lot of marketing backing and media backing (read the business spent $$$ on Advertising) doesn't mean it is a be all, end all, expert. Look at the results on the field. Ask yourself why so many on here are commenting on how BAD the media broadcasters are. In that ATL game the Fox Broadcasters gushed about Julio Jones for 3 and 2/3 Quarters even though during the whole game he had 2 catches for twenty some yards. If they were such experts as their perch IMPLIES then they should have been talking about the guy preventing him from doing ANYTHING.

Another consideration is what is the aim of the madden title? Is it to be the most accurate representation of the NFL or is it to sell copies of the video game? Perhaps Kuechly is a 99 since they feel he is a more popular player even if he not actually a better player. Is that marketing or is that reality?

Look at the results someone achieves before you crown them an expert. Otherwise in today's world you will constantly be two steps behind.

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Lol so a group of people basing a video game off the sport we are talking about isn't relevant? Zero credibility? Just cause its a video game? I'll explain this again players rating are based off a panel vote which is aimed to be as unbiased as possible. Even if they didnt under cut Kendricks abit he isnt no 99. The fact that these two are being compared to Luke just reinforces the fact your being bias. I showed you a group (big group) of people that agree with me but you dismiss it because its a video game? Then say Kendricks is top 5 with no backing at all? Take off the glasses, it might not be the best source but it is worth more than a bunch of bias fans towards their teams.


Keuchly: 89 Combined Tackles, 53 Solo, 36 Assisted
Kendricks: 87 Combined Tackles, 56 Solo, 31 Assisted
Barr: 60 Combined Tackles, 46 Solo, 13 Assisted

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TV Map. Re subscribed to digital cable just in time.

http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2017&wk=14


I'm pretty happy I didn't pay for streaming this year!


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#### EA and their pay to win model.

That's all I came to say but I should probably keep it on topic. Um, I think Kendricks is a top 5 MLB.


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TV Map. Re subscribed to digital cable just in time.

http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2017&wk=14


I'm pretty happy I didn't pay for streaming this year!


Have you heard of that new device that allows people to stream feeds from 1000 miles away? I know someone who has it, and says he watches all local sports (he lives in No. Virginia) and watches them in ND. I think he said the device was around 350$ to set up, its at his parents house. I would imagine thats going to be the next big thing if you can get private streams with little delay.


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S197 wrote:
808vikingsfan wrote:
TV Map. Re subscribed to digital cable just in time.

http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2017&wk=14


I'm pretty happy I didn't pay for streaming this year!


Have you heard of that new device that allows people to stream feeds from 1000 miles away? I know someone who has it, and says he watches all local sports (he lives in No. Virginia) and watches them in ND. I think he said the device was around 350$ to set up, its at his parents house. I would imagine thats going to be the next big thing if you can get private streams with little delay.


Info on that device please...That sounds clutch. Ask your friend.


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Ive been trying to reach him, he was in my fantasy league for a few years. I hope his phone # is the same, he travels so much it was hard to get a hold of him. He also said the stream works on multiple devices, at the same time.


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Didnt get a lot more info from him other then he loves it.

The website is Tablotv.com

Virtually every channel can be streamed live, or you can DVR it. It definetly sound like what I would use over other ways if I was living in CA again and wanted to watch live Vikes games.


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IMO, I believe Kendricks is a top 5 MLB in this league. He's so grossly underrated it's not even funny.

As I've said in the past, this is a GOOD thing. When contract time comes up, Kendricks will be paid like the 10th best MLB in the league, maybe. That'll save millions off of what we'd pay him as the 2nd best. A couple million dollars a year can make a big difference if it is used wisely (Keenum, cough cough).

Zimmer plays defense in a way to minimize individual stats. His defensive linemen maintain positional integrity, instead of going all out for individual sacks. His defensive backs are not interception machines - they just make it darn tough to find open receivers. Zimmer wouldn't take Marcus Peters in his current form on this team - he's all about the INT's, but won't tackle. And when the game is in hand for us, he just bleeds time off the clock offensively and defensively, hurting the Vikings defensive stats, but guaranteeing that we win the game.


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I think this game may be the toughest game of the season.

Great defense, athletic and dangerous QB, 3rd road game in a row, almost a must win game for the Panthers.

Hoping the Vikings can squeak out a win in Charlotte on Sunday.

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Lol so a group of people basing a video game off the sport we are talking about isn't relevant? Zero credibility? Just cause its a video game? I'll explain this again players rating are based off a panel vote which is aimed to be as unbiased as possible. Even if they didnt under cut Kendricks abit he isnt no 99. The fact that these two are being compared to Luke just reinforces the fact your being bias. I showed you a group (big group) of people that agree with me but you dismiss it because its a video game? Then say Kendricks is top 5 with no backing at all? Take off the glasses, it might not be the best source but it is worth more than a bunch of bias fans towards their teams.

wow.

we're all vikes fans here. so I try to keep things cordial... but...

wow.
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Envious Colts fan here (have a Vikings fan in my family). We where exchanging thoughts about NFL stuff. Brought to my attention that with a Rams win and a Vikings win this weekend it would open up the possibility that once the playoffs start the Vikings would not have to play a road game until 2018 !!!.....One other thing your head coach has my vote (which doe not matter ) But SHOULD get a lot of votes that do matter for NFL Coach of The Year.....But I am just one guy.......Might find myself pulling for you guys to hoist the Lombardi.....Best of luck !!!!!


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I don't want to jinx anything...but I just don't think this will be a competitive game. Score may be low...like 17-3...but don't see Vikes ever in danger during this one. Matchups are too much in our favor with these guys. One decent receiver in Funchess...Rhodes makes that go away. We play man all day and take advantage of Cams poor accuracy, which requires then leaving Barr as FT spy back. Run nickel when McCafferey is in, move Newman to scrub on outside opposite Rhodes and assign Waynes to follow McCaffery (great tackler, good speed) run bltz on handoff, in his pocket out of backfield. Pressure from base 4 and expose Kalil. They go power to run, back to base D. Easy win I think....which likely ensures a loss?


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Envious Colts fan here (have a Vikings fan in my family). We where exchanging thoughts about NFL stuff. Brought to my attention that with a Rams win and a Vikings win this weekend it would open up the possibility that once the playoffs start the Vikings would not have to play a road game until 2018 !!!.....One other thing your head coach has my vote (which doe not matter ) But SHOULD get a lot of votes that do matter for NFL Coach of The Year.....But I am just one guy.......Might find myself pulling for you guys to hoist the Lombardi.....Best of luck !!!!!


As long as the Vikings keep winning I believe what you say is true regardless of what the Rams do. I suppose that could change, but I believe the Vikes have the stronger strength of schedule in the event both the Eagles and they win out, so as it stands, they are playing for HFA throughout.

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Lol so a group of people basing a video game off the sport we are talking about isn't relevant? Zero credibility? Just cause its a video game? I'll explain this again players rating are based off a panel vote which is aimed to be as unbiased as possible. Even if they didnt under cut Kendricks abit he isnt no 99. The fact that these two are being compared to Luke just reinforces the fact your being bias. I showed you a group (big group) of people that agree with me but you dismiss it because its a video game? Then say Kendricks is top 5 with no backing at all? Take off the glasses, it might not be the best source but it is worth more than a bunch of bias fans towards their teams.


You put Randy Moss on a high school team and he'll look like a man among boys. You put Randy Moss on a pro team and he'll look like a man among boys...

Errr... OK, so Moss might be the rare individual exception, but as good as Luke might be, he's not THAT much better than either Barr or Kendricks, much less both of them together (if he's better at all).

(Just trying to inject a little humor into this)


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