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Vikings only average 22 points a game. Offense still
looks a little anemic.


Going into Week 5, the top 14 out of 32 defenses in the NFL gave up 21 or fewer points a game on average. We are ranked 7th at 18 P/G. I would certainly like to see us score more points, but to your point, as long as the defense keeps playing at this level our offense is doing enough to win games.

Not committing turnovers is a big deal, that is how the lowly KC Chiefs prevented the vaunted 2011 Packers from going 16-0.

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mansquatch wrote:
hibbingviking wrote:
Vikings only average 22 points a game. Offense still
looks a little anemic.


Going into Week 5, the top 14 out of 32 defenses in the NFL gave up 21 or fewer points a game on average. We are ranked 7th at 18 P/G. I would certainly like to see us score more points, but to your point, as long as the defense keeps playing at this level our offense is doing enough to win games.

Not committing turnovers is a big deal, that is how the lowly KC Chiefs prevented the vaunted 2011 Packers from going 16-0.


Well said.

At 22 points a game, the Vikes are ranked in the middle of the league. There are 7 teams averaging less than 20 points per game!


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Post Re: The 2012 Vikings are a Super Bowl team
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Look, I'm as thrilled as anybody about how the Vikings are playing right now.

But we're not that team.

2000 Ravens -- Absolutely dominating defense. Top 5 in NFL history. 8-8 the previous season.
2001 Patriots -- Probably your best example because they were 5-11 the previous season and showed few signs of life early in the season. One thing about this team ... they had a lot of breaks along the way. But for the ridiculous tuck rule -- let's face it, Brady dropped that ball -- perhaps Brady becomes known for choking rather than heroism.
2005 Steelers -- Very poor example. For one thing, they were 15-1 the previous season, so it was hardly a surprise that they had the talent to win the SB. In addition, they had a phenomenal defense (and for the record, they should have lost the Super Bowl).
2007 Giants -- This was a pretty good team all along. The team was expected to be playoff caliber, played poorly, then got hot. They also --once again -- had a phenomenal defense, with a ferocious pass rush. They were 8-8 the previous season.
2009 Jets -- Were supposed to win the Super Bowl. Just ask Rex Ryan. Were 9-7 the previous season.
2009 Cardinals -- This team came out of nowhere in the playoffs, but they were 8-8 the previous season and played in an incredibly weak division.
2010 Packers -- Picked by many to win the Super Bowl. May not have had the stellar regular-season record, but a lot of people picked them prior to the season. They had been 11-5 the previous season.
2011 Giants -- Again, characterized by a pretty good defense. Also, they're led by a Hall-of-Fame quarterback. Say what you want about Eli, he's been money in the postseason. Were 10-6 the previous year.

We were 3-13 last year. None of the teams you mention were losers the previous year except for New England in 2001.

A lot of things are going well. But we still have obvious weaknesses, and while our defense is better, it's nowhere near the caliber of most of the teams you mentioned.

By the way, I'd be happy to be wrong.


I was afraid my analogy wouldn't be clear. You're focusing on the entire performances over two seasons, I'm focusing on the perception of those teams in the December that lead into those playoff runs. Previous season records are irrelevant to my analogy. It's a style of play I'm referring to, not a success story of one season to the next.

And other posters just seem to be responding to the subject line and not reading the actual post since I'm not predicting a Super Bowl win or that we are even a SB caliber team. If anything its a matter of mis-timing since its only October and playing like a "hot playoff team" might not matter if its not January.

No, your analogy is perfectly clear. It simply makes no sense.

And why are previous season records "irrelevant"? Because you say so? Gosh, forgive me ... I didn't know we'd changed the definition of irrelevant to any opinion that differs from yours. But hey, since my opinion is irrelevant, you won't mind if I expand on it. Previous record makes ALL the difference. You act as though the Pittsburgh Steelers somehow "came out of nowhere" to make some kind of improbable Super Bowl run. I'm saying they were freaking 15-1 the previous season, meaning they were already a damn good football team.

This team is playing nothing like the Giants of last year or 2007, or the Steelers, or any of those teams. They're playing better than we've seen from the Vikings in quite some time, but not close to a playoff level. Not in style of play, not in anything.

You asked for an opinion, and I gave you one ... irrelevant as it may be.

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mansquatch wrote:
hibbingviking wrote:
Vikings only average 22 points a game. Offense still
looks a little anemic.


Going into Week 5, the top 14 out of 32 defenses in the NFL gave up 21 or fewer points a game on average. We are ranked 7th at 18 P/G. I would certainly like to see us score more points, but to your point, as long as the defense keeps playing at this level our offense is doing enough to win games.

Not committing turnovers is a big deal, that is how the lowly KC Chiefs prevented the vaunted 2011 Packers from going 16-0.



Agree. The difference between 2011 vs 2012 is their defense. Comparing the first 4 games, the Vikings gave up 80 points in the 2nd half last year. So far this year, only 36. They actually shutout the 49ers in the 4th. When was the last time the Vikings actually shutout a team in the 4th?


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Maybe in two or three years from now...

with solid drafts and a few key free agents maybe

I do think we have an outside chance at a wildcard this year

3 wins to a wild card or close is good enough for me

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mansquatch wrote:
hibbingviking wrote:
Vikings only average 22 points a game. Offense still
looks a little anemic.


Going into Week 5, the top 14 out of 32 defenses in the NFL gave up 21 or fewer points a game on average. We are ranked 7th at 18 P/G. I would certainly like to see us score more points, but to your point, as long as the defense keeps playing at this level our offense is doing enough to win games.

Not committing turnovers is a big deal, that is how the lowly KC Chiefs prevented the vaunted 2011 Packers from going 16-0.



Agree. The difference between 2011 vs 2012 is their defense. Comparing the first 4 games, the Vikings gave up 80 points in the 2nd half last year. So far this year, only 36. They actually shutout the 49ers in the 4th. When was the last time the Vikings actually shutout a team in the 4th?

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I'm hoping the locker room is kept under control. I know that it seems as if the players are actually enjoying playing for the Vikings this year, I hope they dont get too excited about these early wins. 6 or 7 more wins and we very well may be in the playoffs. Im excited about this season, just not letting it get the best of me just quite yet.

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Post Re: The 2012 Vikings are a Super Bowl team
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
GBFavreFan wrote:
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
Look, I'm as thrilled as anybody about how the Vikings are playing right now.

But we're not that team.

2000 Ravens -- Absolutely dominating defense. Top 5 in NFL history. 8-8 the previous season.
2001 Patriots -- Probably your best example because they were 5-11 the previous season and showed few signs of life early in the season. One thing about this team ... they had a lot of breaks along the way. But for the ridiculous tuck rule -- let's face it, Brady dropped that ball -- perhaps Brady becomes known for choking rather than heroism.
2005 Steelers -- Very poor example. For one thing, they were 15-1 the previous season, so it was hardly a surprise that they had the talent to win the SB. In addition, they had a phenomenal defense (and for the record, they should have lost the Super Bowl).
2007 Giants -- This was a pretty good team all along. The team was expected to be playoff caliber, played poorly, then got hot. They also --once again -- had a phenomenal defense, with a ferocious pass rush. They were 8-8 the previous season.
2009 Jets -- Were supposed to win the Super Bowl. Just ask Rex Ryan. Were 9-7 the previous season.
2009 Cardinals -- This team came out of nowhere in the playoffs, but they were 8-8 the previous season and played in an incredibly weak division.
2010 Packers -- Picked by many to win the Super Bowl. May not have had the stellar regular-season record, but a lot of people picked them prior to the season. They had been 11-5 the previous season.
2011 Giants -- Again, characterized by a pretty good defense. Also, they're led by a Hall-of-Fame quarterback. Say what you want about Eli, he's been money in the postseason. Were 10-6 the previous year.

We were 3-13 last year. None of the teams you mention were losers the previous year except for New England in 2001.

A lot of things are going well. But we still have obvious weaknesses, and while our defense is better, it's nowhere near the caliber of most of the teams you mentioned.

By the way, I'd be happy to be wrong.


I was afraid my analogy wouldn't be clear. You're focusing on the entire performances over two seasons, I'm focusing on the perception of those teams in the December that lead into those playoff runs. Previous season records are irrelevant to my analogy. It's a style of play I'm referring to, not a success story of one season to the next.

And other posters just seem to be responding to the subject line and not reading the actual post since I'm not predicting a Super Bowl win or that we are even a SB caliber team. If anything its a matter of mis-timing since its only October and playing like a "hot playoff team" might not matter if its not January.

No, your analogy is perfectly clear. It simply makes no sense.

And why are previous season records "irrelevant"? Because you say so? Gosh, forgive me ... I didn't know we'd changed the definition of irrelevant to any opinion that differs from yours. But hey, since my opinion is irrelevant, you won't mind if I expand on it. Previous record makes ALL the difference. You act as though the Pittsburgh Steelers somehow "came out of nowhere" to make some kind of improbable Super Bowl run. I'm saying they were freaking 15-1 the previous season, meaning they were already a damn good football team.

This team is playing nothing like the Giants of last year or 2007, or the Steelers, or any of those teams. They're playing better than we've seen from the Vikings in quite some time, but not close to a playoff level. Not in style of play, not in anything.

You asked for an opinion, and I gave you one ... irrelevant as it may be.


I just meant irrelevant to my analogy, no reason to get all worked up.


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Post Re: The 2012 Vikings are a Super Bowl team
808vikingsfan wrote:
mansquatch wrote:
hibbingviking wrote:
Vikings only average 22 points a game. Offense still
looks a little anemic.


Going into Week 5, the top 14 out of 32 defenses in the NFL gave up 21 or fewer points a game on average. We are ranked 7th at 18 P/G. I would certainly like to see us score more points, but to your point, as long as the defense keeps playing at this level our offense is doing enough to win games.

Not committing turnovers is a big deal, that is how the lowly KC Chiefs prevented the vaunted 2011 Packers from going 16-0.



Agree. The difference between 2011 vs 2012 is their defense. Comparing the first 4 games, the Vikings gave up 80 points in the 2nd half last year. So far this year, only 36. They actually shutout the 49ers in the 4th. When was the last time the Vikings actually shutout a team in the 4th?


While your numbers back up your statement, if you'll recall the first half of the season under Donovan McNabb was the defense doing their best to contain our opponents and Donovan McNabb finding creative ways to miss our receivers deflating our team and fans week after week. Remember this happened for like 3-5 games in a row before they finally pulled the plug on the McNabbster. The defense is improved from last year overall, but there were a lot of x-factors in the first half that hindered our team offensively and it mostly evolved around the utter hopelessness and complete lack of confidence or inspiriation that surrounded Donovan McNabb whenever he stepped into the huddle.


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The Vikings remind me a whole lot of the 2003 or 2005 Carolina Panthers. There are a lot of strangely familiar parallels...

A quarterback that manages and keeps the team in it.
Drafted a big offensive tackle (Jordan Gross) the summer before.
One GREAT wide receiver (Steve Smith) and some other guys who were good to okay (Muhammad, Proehl, Dyson).
A pretty good running back (Steven Davis). AD was a better back for sure pre-knee surgery, but at this point, comparable.
Jermaine Wiggins and Todd Steussie were on that team (okay, that's just a connection and not a parallel, but Wiggins caught passes almost as well as Rudolph)
One seriously disruptive defensive end (Peppers and Allen are two totally different players, but when it comes to pressuring quarterbacks, they're both fearsome).

I think the Vikings defense, so far, is all around better than that Carolina defense. Carolina would frequently let teams score a few times early in the game, and play catch up. This Vikings defense seems like it brings it early on and keeps it up until late in the game.

That might even be enough of a difference, too...

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